# No, the Left is not anti-Semitic (Good grief!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847 "2015-08-03T03:16:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/401 "2015-08-09T21:51:11Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > … and Irish nationalism. And Polish nationalism. And Latvian nationalism. And Bulgarian, Finnish, Estonian, Greek, Hungarian, Japanese, Turkish, etc. etc. Everyone is ok with those “ethnostates”. It’s just Israel that is the problem. I was talking about the obnoxiousness of historical German nationalism in Central Europe. Apparently that’s too painful, so you’re trying to evade the point. Do…do you really think the Finns help your argument? Finns largely break down into two or three distinct language groups. Estonians, for all their noisy nationalism, tolerate a huge number of ethnic Russians. If only you were Finns or Estonians! I don’t know enough about Hungary and Bulgaria to compare those. I’m not going to defend the nationalism of the Japanese. And hey, if you really want to say, “We’re just like the Turks and the Greeks!” OK, you’re like the Greeks trying to prevent the Cham from moving home, and the pro-Turkicization movement in Anatolia. Whoo, you must be so proud. Keep comparing yourselves to German and Turkish nationalists. I think that’s a _great_ plan. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/402 "2015-08-09T21:54:50Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Terr’s argument(and it’s no secret I despise him) is that why is it only Israel of all the ethno-states that people seem eager to demand stop being ethno-states and he’s pretty clearly got a point. I probably do need to do a better job of constantly complaining about Turkey. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/403 "2015-08-09T22:22:47Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I’ve agreed that some of the economic criticism from the left has tinges of anti-antisemitism. Sometimes it can go pretty far and I’m not sure if they’re clueless or blowing a dog whistle. Like when they start calling Wall Street bankers parasites, or a greedy rentier class or how they should be put up against the wall when the revolution comes. Or how Goldman Sachs is a terrorist organization that has sleeper cells in the government. Of course if you ask if they mean the Jews they deny it. I think it’s possible to see Goldman Sachs specifically as parasitic, and parasitic regardless of whether it’s being presently run by a Jew or a Christian, without making that an indictment of Jews, or even wealthy Jews, in general. > [@](#): > > Are there lib sites where you can hate on Jews and talk about, I dunno, how we need universal healthcare but we can’t get it because Jews run all the insurance and medical companies and lobbies? Or how cops are so racist against black people and Mexicans, and it’s all the Jew’s fault? I’m not saying they don’t exist, but they’ve escaped my notice. Eh, I don’t know about websites. Can anyone answer this? I would hypothesize that, in the USA, strongly anti-Jewish online communities tend to get pulled, if not toward the “far right,” toward some kind of “nationalist” movement (for example, a heavily black site isn’t going to slip toward Stormfront, but maybe toward the Nation of Islam); and strongly social democratic online communities tend to get pulled away from anti-Jewish rhetoric. In Europe it may be entirely different. I welcome counter-examples in any case. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/404 "2015-08-09T22:33:34Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > That’s why I’ve always been fan of larger multi-ethnic states that don’t define themselves as “ethnic states” and why I think countries like Canada, Great Britain, and the US for all their flaws do a better at assimilating immigrants and immigrant communities than countries like Germany, France, and Israel. I’m coming to agree with you on this. Radical nationalism seems to have been a mess all around. > [@dropzone](#): > > I’m Bohemian. The Slovaks can stuff it 😉 How do you say, “part of the problem” in Czech? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/405 "2015-08-09T22:51:42Z")
Don’t know, don’t care. My people were from the Sudetenland. 😛 I love how, when we start caring about ethnic nations and ethnicity, the divisions start getting finer and finer. Soon everybody will be hating everybody! Wouldn’t that be grand? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/406 "2015-08-09T22:59:59Z")
Just the kind of thing a Suddy would say! ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/407 "2015-08-09T23:16:56Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Don’t know, don’t care. My people were from the Sudetenland. 😛 > > I love how, when we start caring about ethnic nations and ethnicity, the divisions start getting finer and finer. Soon everybody will be hating everybody! Wouldn’t that be grand? But it doesn’t have to be that way. I _like_ that we’re all different. Do you remember that \*Twilight Zone \*episode where they convince all the men to have surgery to look like Gig Young? I used to have nightmares about it when I was a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/408 "2015-08-10T01:00:24Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > and strongly social democratic online communities tend to get pulled away from anti-Jewish rhetoric. In Europe it may be entirely different. I welcome counter-examples in any case. [www.democraticunderground.com](http://www.democraticunderground.com) - lots and lots of antisemitism. Undisguised. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/409 "2015-08-10T01:14:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [www.democraticunderground.com](http://www.democraticunderground.com) - lots and lots of antisemitism. Undisguised. From some googling (I’m not terribly familiar with DU – my liberal website of choice is Talking Points Memo and occasionally Daily Kos), I found a few anti-semitic comments, some criticism of those comments, and lots and lots of discussions on DU about anti-semitism in DU. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/410 "2015-08-10T01:24:16Z")
Thank you, Terr. Any others? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/411 "2015-08-10T01:31:20Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Thank you, Terr. Any others? Sure. DailyKos: > **[Eulogy before the Inevitability of Self-Destruction: The Decline and Death of...](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/13/514616/-Eulogy-before-the-Inevitability-of-Self-Destruction-The-Decline-and-Death-of-Israel)** > > "On Friday May 14, 1948 -- the day the British Mandate over Palestine expired -- ... This is the bidding of a farewell formed in the extension of a middle finger by the militantly atheistic Luciferian Ashkenazic Jewish sect that - resolved they be - believe in - by genetic predisposition and/or indoctrination from birth - supremacism of the Master Race, because they have accomplished the goal of procreating State of Israel to dominate in hegemony by the art of seduction, after centuries of persecution and expulsion on charge of treason by subversion of host nations, blood rituals in human sacrifice of Gentile children, corruption and ravishing of women, conspiracy to injure and murder esteemed officers & rulers and usurious & fraudulent deed in union with the spiritual descendants of the wicked Jews of the extinct Sadducee sect, the persecutor and abetted executioner of Jesus Christ, propagating fruition of the species as the “Chosen One” and bringing the world to its knees without mercy for subservience and obedience by slavery (brainwash) and tyranny. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/412 "2015-08-10T01:40:27Z")
How about this [Pat Oliphant cartoon](http://www.gocomics.com/patoliphant/2009/03/25/) - that was on New York Times website. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/413 "2015-08-10T01:44:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Sure. DailyKos: > > [Eulogy before the Inevitability of Self-Destruction: The Decline and Death of Israel](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/13/514616/-Eulogy-before-the-Inevitability-of-Self-Destruction-The-Decline-and-Death-of-Israel) > > This is the bidding of a farewell formed in the extension of a middle finger by the militantly atheistic Luciferian Ashkenazic Jewish sect that - resolved they be - believe in - by genetic predisposition and/or indoctrination from birth - supremacism of the Master Race, because they have accomplished the goal of procreating State of Israel to dominate in hegemony by the art of seduction, after centuries of persecution and expulsion on charge of treason by subversion of host nations, blood rituals in human sacrifice of Gentile children, corruption and ravishing of women, conspiracy to injure and murder esteemed officers & rulers and usurious & fraudulent deed in union with the spiritual descendants of the wicked Jews of the extinct Sadducee sect, the persecutor and abetted executioner of Jesus Christ, propagating fruition of the species as the “Chosen One” and bringing the world to its knees without mercy for subservience and obedience by slavery (brainwash) and tyranny. Anyone can post on Daily Kos, and most of the response to this post was very harsh disapproval. In fact, on my phone at least, I can’t find any more record of that poster and I think he might have been banned. So a single antisemitic post that doesn’t seem to have been tolerated is not a sign that antisemitism is tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/414 "2015-08-10T01:51:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Anyone can post on Daily Kos, and most of the response to this post was very harsh disapproval. It’s still up. For 7 years. Kos doesn’t hesitate to remove diaries he doesn’t like. Not this one though. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/415 "2015-08-10T01:55:54Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It’s still up. For 7 years. Kos doesn’t hesitate to remove diaries he doesn’t like. Not this one though. I’m unaware of Kos deleting a post due to ideological disagreement, even for bigotry. The poster was banned. Sounds similar to the way the SDMB handles it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/416 "2015-08-10T02:00:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m unaware of Kos deleting a post due to ideological disagreement, even for bigotry. The poster was banned. Sounds similar to the way the SDMB handles it. > **[Truther Diary. Content Deleted](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/08/07/762946/-Truther-Diary-Content-Deleted)** > > The contents of this 9/11 conspiracy diary were erased. > > The diarist was not immediately banned but given mercy and warned not to repeat - which is my standard operating procedure - even though I ... > **[Diary Deleted, User Banned](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/04/619572/-Diary-Deleted-User-Banned)** > > \[Diary deleted and diarist banned - BarbinMD\] > **[Is Hillary Clinton wagging the dog, as Bill did to distract us?](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/30/416314/-Is-Hillary-Clinton-wagging-the-dog-as-Bill-did-to-distract-us)** > > Content deleted due to conspiracy theory -- ... there are many, many more. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/417 "2015-08-10T02:18:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Truther Diary. Content Deleted](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/08/07/762946/-Truther-Diary-Content-Deleted) > [Diary Deleted, User Banned](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/04/619572/-Diary-Deleted-User-Banned) > [Is Hillary Clinton wagging the dog, as Bill did to distract us?](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/30/416314/-Is-Hillary-Clinton-wagging-the-dog-as-Bill-did-to-distract-us) > > there are many, many more. From the notes, those were different moderators with different reasoning. I don’t know why this one wasn’t deleted, but considering the poster was banned, and nearly all of the response was negative, I’m unconvinced that DK is tolerant of antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/418 "2015-08-10T02:29:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > From the notes, those were different moderators with different reasoning. I don’t know why this one wasn’t deleted, but considering the poster was banned, and nearly all of the response was negative, I’m unconvinced that DK is tolerant of antisemitism. Of course you aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/419 "2015-08-10T02:33:28Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course you aren’t. I’ll never stop loving you, **Terr**. With all my body and soul. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847/420 "2015-08-10T02:48:22Z")
> **[ONCE AGAIN TEH STOOPID WINS AT DKos (I/P)](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/09/04/776948/-ONCE-AGAIN-TEH-STOOPID-WINS-AT-DKos-I-P)** > > Daily Kos, a site I have quickly come to enjoy and care about has once again succumbed to the Amazing Powers of: TEH STOOPID. > > Yep and in I/P or P/I (if you prefer) lately teh stoopid has been ... Two polls at DailyKos: First one: Do you agree with Hugo Chavez that Israel is a genocidal, killer state? ## Yes 51% 84 votes No 48% 78 votes Then, the second one that is supposed to show that the first one was skewed and that DailyKos is not as antisemitic as that shows: ## Yes, Chavez is right 35% 54 votes No, Chavez is high 54% 83 votes No, but I voted “Yes” last night because I dislike AB 9% 15 votes Sure, not a majority. But 35%. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-the-left-is-not-anti-semitic-good-grief/726847.md?page=22)