# No this race was not an endorsement of racism **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456 "2016-11-11T03:40:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/21 "2016-11-11T06:03:51Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > He was trying to win the election by tapping into fear - a successful strategy. Now that the race is over we will start, and already are, seeing the truer Trump. Presidential. Respectful. Sometimes even humble. We saw it today. > > You fell for the smoke and mirrors. It’s nice that Trump has been on his best behavior for two days, but that is hardly the ‘true’ Trump. He’s an opportunistic authoritarian. Right now, he wants to burnish his image after a long, vicious campaign by appearing conciliatory and presidential. When he wants something different, he’ll act differently. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/22 "2016-11-11T06:06:40Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I addressed post 12. That’s unrealistic and makes _no sense_. You don’t get to say he’s just _pretending_ to be a racist when all the white supremacists saw this as an endorsement of their values and he kept on saying and doing horribly racist things. Trump chose language that allowed the asshole racist supremacists to say, “You see? He’s just like us and endorses everything we stand for.” The media then took that and ran with it. And then some (many!) people bought that. Smoke and mirrors. When you look at the entirety of what Trump said, it does not endorse the asshole racist supremacist’s position. (BTW you can replace ‘asshole racist supremacist’ with male chauvinist pig or with xenophobe or with anti-Muslim) Do you really think we will start getting asshole racist supremacist laws? Wait, don’t answer that, let’s let time tell. I could be wrong in my position. You could be too. Or what happens might fall somewhere in between. Let’s see what actually happens. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/23 "2016-11-11T06:27:37Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Strongly disagree: we Trump supporters and voters are not racists, and do not sit idly by when racism occurs. And we do not hate. Nonsense. [http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html](http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html) > [@](#): > > They were saying things like, ‘We got a new president you f–king faggots.’ > > When he later left the bar, alone, he was walking through an alley when he was jumped by a group of men – one of which smashed a bottle over his head. I can find more examples if you like, I’ve been reading about them all day. Assault, mugging, intimidation, theft, arson, vandalism. Can’t find any cases of murder yet, but hey, it’s only been two days. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/24 "2016-11-11T06:34:48Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Nonsense. > > [http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html](http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary/2016/11/09/calgarian-in-santa-monica-assaulted-on-us-election-night.html) > > I can find more examples if you like, I’ve been reading about them all day. Assault, mugging, intimidation, theft, arson, vandalism. Can’t find any cases of murder yet, but hey, it’s only been two days. Unfortunately hate and violence exist on both sides. [Violence erupts around U.S. amid large protests over Trump victory - LifeSite](https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/violence-erupts-around-u.s.-in-protest-of-trump-election) There are always exceptions. Let us see what is developed _ **by Trump** _, and not by the jerk exceptions on either side. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/25 "2016-11-11T06:40:55Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Unfortunately hate and violence exist on both sides. [Violence erupts around U.S. amid large protests over Trump victory - LifeSite](https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/violence-erupts-around-u.s.-in-protest-of-trump-election) What? You just said Trump supporters do not hate. Which is it? > [@](#): > > There are always exceptions. Let us see what is developed _ **by Trump** _, and not by the jerk exceptions on either side. No, let’s not. Rather, let us agree your claim is false. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/26 "2016-11-11T06:41:06Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > This [article](http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2016/08/01/Ross-Douthat-Clinton-and-liberalism-s-big-bet/stories/201608010031)by Ross Douthat has some good examples of what I am talking about: > > isk. > > Here is the [headline](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-critics-obamas-scolding-tone-with-black-audiences-is-getting-old/2013/05/20/4b267352-c191-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html)of another article which illustrates the problem: > > Progressives are moving to a point where it would be impossible to elect the 90’s Bill Clinton in a Democratic primary and even Obama would be a little dodgy and would be attacked from the left. > > Ultimately racism and sexism aren’t binary but on a spectrum and you can get mild racists in your coalition just by changing the way you talk to them without changing your fundamental positions. That is a big part of winning elections but the Democratic party is moving in a direction which is making this more and more difficult. This is really interesting. I know people that solely voted for Trump because they viewed Clinton as pro-abortion. And honestly, when she stated her stance during the second debate, I was shocked. I agreed with her, but knew also that lots would see that as a line in the sand. Sadly, I get that liberals are tired of having to always “pussy-foot around and be the nice ones” (a Facebook quote I saw today), but there is absolutely no way we’ll ever bridge a gap between here and there by being balls to the wall. Simple as that. Thanks for the article. I’m saving it. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/27 "2016-11-11T06:47:25Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > This [article](http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2016/08/01/Ross-Douthat-Clinton-and-liberalism-s-big-bet/stories/201608010031)by Ross Douthat has some good examples of what I am talking about: > isk. > > Here is the [headline](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-critics-obamas-scolding-tone-with-black-audiences-is-getting-old/2013/05/20/4b267352-c191-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html)of another article which illustrates the problem: > Progressives are moving to a point where it would be impossible to elect the 90’s Bill Clinton in a Democratic primary and even Obama would be a little dodgy and would be attacked from the left. > > Ultimately racism and sexism aren’t binary but on a spectrum and you can get mild racists in your coalition just by changing the way you talk to them without changing your fundamental positions. That is a big part of winning elections but the Democratic party is moving in a direction which is making this more and more difficult. that is the 2016 election in a nutshell; you’ve said it best. Sadly, its a result of Obama’s “transformative Presidency.” He wanted a left-wing Reagan Revolution, and he got it in spades. And now that Bernie is the new power broker, it looks like they’ll go even harder left. ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Does\_Not\_Exist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@Trevor\_Does\_Not\_Exist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trevor_Does_Not_Exist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/28 "2016-11-11T08:51:21Z")
ok from a British point of view. Not all trump supporters where racist, many are though, id say the rest where just gullible or easily fooled. But the one thing you have to look at, then look deep down in yourself. When so many racist groups such as the KKK, etc, approve of the president and are excited about him and his policys you have to soul search and ask, are you a an institutional racist, and if trump himself is not racist, why do so many extreme racists like his views an opinions, like the old saying, “there is no smoke without fire” ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/29 "2016-11-11T08:57:12Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > that is the 2016 election in a nutshell; you’ve said it best. Sadly, its a result of Obama’s “transformative Presidency.” He wanted a left-wing Reagan Revolution, and he got it in spades. And now that Bernie is the new power broker, it looks like they’ll go even harder left. Please give us the details of the left wing Reagan Revolution that President Obama forced on you. And you aren’t doing your side any good with that “not a racist” claim. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/30 "2016-11-11T10:07:43Z")
> **[Package-deal fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package-deal_fallacy)** > > The package-deal fallacy (also known as false conjunction) is the logical fallacy of assuming that things often grouped together by tradition or culture must always be grouped that way. False conjunction refers to misuse of the and operator. > It is particularly common in political arguments, such as the following imagined example from the United States: "My opponent is a conservative who voted against higher taxes and welfare, therefore he will also oppose gun control and abortion." While those ... ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/31 "2016-11-11T10:33:40Z")
Your country democratically elected a proven racist and misogynist. I think Americans should own that instead of trying to pretend it was some accident that came out of nowhere. Thats what your country is, you elected a racist clown, stop looking for other people to blame and own that shit. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/32 "2016-11-11T10:50:48Z")
Bucketybuck is right. There have been hundreds of racist incidents of many sorts, in many parts of the US over the past two days, most of them provably the result of Trump’s victory emboldening racist jerks. I don’t have time now to give cites, so just trust me on this, please. Two in the news occurred within a mile of my house – and this is a county known for its super-friendly neighbors, and which favored Clinton by ten percentage points. These fuckwads were ALWAYS racist, only now they suddenly feel it’s socially acceptable to express their racism blatantly. Trump may have toned down his own rhetoric, but it’s too late – having the very pinnacle of power be occupied by someone like him, plus the “validation” and safety in numbers that comes with seeing half the voting US population vote for him (even if only a minority of these voters are actually racist), has given these fucks carte blanche (in their minds). ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/33 "2016-11-11T14:46:14Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I could just as easily throw the question back at you. But it’s clear that Libertarianism’s uncompromising free market economic views are far more in line with the GOP mainstream then with that of the Democrats. Add to that the fact that Johnson explicitly appealed to moderate/dissatisfied Republicans (I actually went to a rally of his on Boston Common). a. I did not make a claim. You did. b. Oh I have all the polling data that suggested Johnson supporters were 50/50 and that when given only two choices the spread stayed about the same … but right now I’m hesitant to use polls as much of a cite! 🙂 c. It’s also clear that his views on a variety of issues, such as marijuana legalization, gay marriage, and much more, were far out of line with the GOP mainstream than with the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/34 "2016-11-11T14:54:26Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > What? You just said Trump supporters do not hate. Which is it? > > No, let’s not. Rather, let us agree your claim is false. Did you even read the article? These are Clinton supporters inciting violence, vandalism, hate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/35 "2016-11-11T15:38:41Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > These fuckwads were ALWAYS racist, only now they suddenly feel it’s socially acceptable to express their racism blatantly. Trump may have toned down his own rhetoric, but it’s too late – having the very pinnacle of power be occupied by someone like him, plus the “validation” and safety in numbers that comes with seeing half the voting US population vote for him (even if only a minority of these voters are actually racist), has given these fucks carte blanche (in their minds). But that last bit there goes both ways. If asked during the campaign what I thought of folks who are here _unlawfully,_ I’d reply that illegal immigrants should be treated like lawbreakers; and I’d be called a racist for saying so. And I’d say that, no, if you’re white and here illegally, you should be treated like a lawbreaker likewise; and I’d get called a racist anyway. So if I’m told that a guy expressed racist views, _I have no idea what that means_. It might mean that he agreed with me; or that he said that All Lives Matter; or that he said President Obama lied about something; or any one of a dozen other things; expressing any of those sentiments could get branded as socially unacceptable in general, by getting branded as “racist” in particular. Is it now socially acceptable to say a bunch of things that were recently drawing the “racist” accusation? Yeah, I guess. Is that a big part of why some now think sentiments that actually _are_ racist are now socially acceptable too? Could be. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/36 "2016-11-11T15:52:10Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You didn’t just “sit idly by” when racism occurred. You actively voted for it. You don’t get to shirk that burden by pretending that one decent presidential address proves Trump was just _pretending_ to be a racist. Cross-posted: > [@CBS reflects on its complicity in Clinton's loss](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/4): > > [I’m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted for Trump.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/10/im-a-muslim-a-woman-and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?tid=pm_pop_b) > > Some quotes: > > > [@](#): > > > > A lot is being said now about the “silent secret Trump supporters.” > > > > This is my confession — and explanation: I — a 51-year-old, a Muslim, an immigrant woman “of color” — am one of those silent voters for Donald Trump. And I’m not a “bigot,” “racist,” “chauvinist” or “white supremacist,” as Trump voters are being called, nor part of some “whitelash.” > > . > > . > > . > > By mid-October, it was one Aug. 17, 2014, email from the WikiLeaks treasure trove of Clinton emails that poisoned the well for me. In it, Clinton told aide John Podesta: “We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL,” the politically correct name for the Islamic State, “and other radical Sunni groups in the region.” > > > > The revelations of multimillion-dollar donations to the Clinton Foundation from Qatar and Saudi Arabia killed my support for Clinton. Yes, I want equal pay. No, I reject Trump’s “locker room” banter, the idea of a “wall” between the United States and Mexico and a plan to “ban” Muslims. But I trust the United States and don’t buy the political hyperbole — agenda-driven identity politics of its own — that demonized Trump and his supporters. > > > > I gently tried to express my thoughts on Twitter but the “Pantsuit revolution” was like a steamroller to any nuanced discourse. If you supported Trump, you had to be a redneck. > [@CBS reflects on its complicity in Clinton's loss](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cbs-reflects-on-its-complicity-in-clintons-loss/771503/5): > > By mocking and demonizing Trump supporters you killed any chance of reaching them. > > I always tried to explain that I was a solid conservative and voting for Clinton because I had good reasons, and I like to think I made some inroads. I take some credit for keeping Virginia in her column. > > But what this author describes is real. and it doesn’t go away by calling her stupid, racist, or bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/37 "2016-11-11T15:57:42Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Strongly disagree: we Trump supporters and voters are not racists, and do not sit idly by when racism occurs. And we do not hate. Not \*all \*Trump supporters. But more than the population at large. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/38 "2016-11-11T15:59:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The same universities that need therapy dogs for grown men and women due to an election? I’m so glad we aren’t in a situation like 1941 now. If we can indulge in stereotypes, I’d take the habitual videogamers over the generation that garnered the reputation for being so afraid of either dying or killing that they mostly sprayed and prayed from their foxholes. Even though that reputation is not very well-founded: we are, after all, indulging in stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/39 "2016-11-11T16:07:18Z")
They think they’re not racists because they’re not out burning crosses and dropping the “n” word like just another part of speech. There’s a little bit more to it than that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456/40 "2016-11-11T16:15:18Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > They think they’re not racists because they’re not out burning crosses and dropping the “n” word like just another part of speech. There’s a little bit more to it than that. Which, again, goes both ways: some people toss the word “racist” around upon hearing that someone is opposed to affirmative action; and some toss the word “racist” around upon hearing that someone thinks the jury got it right when it came to Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman; and some toss the word “racist” around upon simply hearing that someone is a Trump voter. There’s more to it than _that,_ likewise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-this-race-was-not-an-endorsement-of-racism/771456.md?page=3)