# No Tip Restaurant **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 3, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261 "2013-02-03T22:19:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/1 "2013-02-03T22:19:54Z")
Given that the quality of food and service were to your satisfaction, would you go to a restaurant that cost more but allowed no tipping due to that fact that it paid a living wage to it’s employees? Do you think it would be successful? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/2 "2013-02-03T22:21:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Given that the quality of food and service were to your satisfaction, would you go to a restaurant that cost more but allowed no tipping due to that fact that it paid a living wage to it’s employees? Do you think it would be successful? We could call it McDonalds! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/3 "2013-02-03T22:23:08Z")
Honestly though, yeah I’d go to one. Although I have no problem with tipping, and think that people who don’t are kind of shitty. But if it weren’t expected at restaurant X, I’d go along. I’m not sure how you’d market that though. ---
**Author:** ![tellyworth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@tellyworth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tellyworth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/4 "2013-02-03T22:23:40Z")
If you relax that to “does not require tipping”, there are any number of those outside the USA. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/5 "2013-02-03T22:24:16Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > We could call it McDonalds! He specified a living wage. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/6 "2013-02-03T22:33:03Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > He specified a living wage. Yeah, yeah. I know. ---
**Author:** ![zombywoof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9e8a1a/32.png) [@zombywoof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zombywoof)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/7 "2013-02-03T22:37:42Z")
Lots of restaurants already automatically add a service charge/tip for for parties larger than a certain number of diners, if it were done across the board I don’t think it would be a huge deal. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/8 "2013-02-03T22:40:31Z")
> [@zombywoof](#): > > Lots of restaurants already automatically add a service charge/tip for for parties larger than a certain number of diners, if it were done across the board I don’t think it would be a huge deal. Not what I’m talking about, though. I’m saying that the price on the menu itself would reflect the true cost. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/9 "2013-02-03T22:40:52Z")
> [@zombywoof](#): > > Lots of restaurants already automatically add a service charge/tip for for parties larger than a certain number of diners, if it were done across the board I don’t think it would be a huge deal. Exactly this. Just make 18 percent mandatory for all customers. If people don’t like the service they can request not to pay gratuity to a manager. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/10 "2013-02-03T22:47:55Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Exactly this. Just make 18 percent mandatory for all customers. If people don’t like the service they can request not to pay gratuity to a manager. This sounds like a pain in the ass that’s more trouble then it’s worth. Just add 18% to the cost of each item and forget the gratuity altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/11 "2013-02-03T22:49:42Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Exactly this. Just make 18 percent mandatory for all customers. If people don’t like the service they can request not to pay gratuity to a manager. Why does it have to be in the form of a tip? A higher price does the same thing without using the tip system. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/12 "2013-02-03T22:54:50Z")
> [@Lanzy](#): > > Why does it have to be in the form of a tip? A higher price does the same thing without using the tip system. Only if you have some way in place to guarantee that the money goes to the waitrons rather than the owner. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/13 "2013-02-03T22:55:06Z")
I’d like to see all restaurants do this. Those who refuse to tip now would have to start paying as much as the rest of us as an added benefit. I would be much less willing to patronize a restaurant which didn’t provide a level of service commensurate with their pricing. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/14 "2013-02-03T22:59:02Z")
Many high end places do this already. The waitstaff is paid very well and the pre-fixe price includes gratuity. ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/15 "2013-02-03T23:23:45Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Only if you have some way in place to guarantee that the money goes to the waitrons rather than the owner. No need, in this place the wait staff are paid fairly. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/16 "2013-02-03T23:35:54Z")
I don’t like it. I like the fact that wait staff are incentivized to provide decent service not by minimum wage but by service. Let’s face it, these are low paying jobs anyway, but if you know that providing good service will result in more money for you, then you’re willing to go the extra mile, as they say. It’s very easy to drag your ass through a shift if there’s nothing extra in it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/17 "2013-02-04T00:09:28Z")
I would actually feel a little weird _not_ tipping at a restaurant, even though I would know the rationale for it. A lot of us who are just used to the custom of tipping would probably still want to leave a tip anyway, the staff would have to say that they aren’t allowed to accept it, and it would be awkward for everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Headrush042](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Headrush042](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Headrush042)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/18 "2013-02-04T00:12:05Z")
Why does the wait staff have to be incentivized with tips? Why can’t they provide decent service _because it’s their job to do so_ (and they’re getting paid fairly for it)? ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/19 "2013-02-04T00:26:14Z")
Is the food any good? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261/20 "2013-02-04T00:30:07Z")
I’d like to see it succeed, but I fear the higher prices will put people off. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tip-restaurant/649261.md?page=2)