# No wonder everyone hates the Jews... they steal the eyes of Palestinian children! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 23, 2004, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336 "2004-12-23T15:50:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/121 "2004-12-30T18:59:16Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I don’t think he’s any more of a Muslem than I am. He’s a loser faking bad english-ever notice that his english was much better when he started posting-posting to get reactions and to stir up shit. What’s amazing is that he is allowed to get away with it, I have no clue as to why. Because he’s our pet-muslim and therefore invaluable to our trend followers? Never mind whether he’s a true muslim or not. Never mind if he’s ‘studying’, has two wives, a stable filled with horses and is always travelling, - or not. It sound so cool when you can tell your friends you’ve spoken to a real, honest to god, muslim, right? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/122 "2004-12-30T19:00:32Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > I say many people in Israel make such claims. Which is true. How do you know it’s true? What statistics, facts, heck, anecdotes do you have for that? Whenever anybody makes a claim about the character or characteristics of a vast group of people > [@Aldebaran](#): > > You only have to listen to some of the settlers to know their intentions. To know the intentions of the settlers who you speak to, yes. To get enough information to form a hypothesis about the rest of the settlers? Possibly. I also said there are quite a few famous quotes in that direction coming from Sharon. Which is also true, like it is true that he is responsible for a few massacres in the past, as he is responsible for ongoing civilian deaths. > [@Aldebaran](#): > > I don’t say I researched them. > \ > The Israel/ Palestinian conflict is far away from my field of study and I really am not interested to get myself occupied with it. It would generally behove you to make sure you check things out before you opine quite so… ardently. The cause of truth is served much better by one scholar than one hundred firebrands. > [@Aldebaran](#): > > Yet when asked to come up with such examples over and over again in a rather childish persistent way, spread over this thread an an other one? It’s always a good idea to substantiate your claims. And, to be quite honest, when you make refrence to a lot of quotes, it is, IMO, rude of you not to provide easy access to their source. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/123 "2004-12-30T19:27:58Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > How do you know it’s true? What statistics, facts, heck, anecdotes do you have for that? Whenever anybody makes a claim about the character or characteristics of a vast group of people Because I heard them making them. I don’t recall I said “a vast group of people”. > [@](#): > > To know the intentions of the settlers who you speak to, yes. To get enough information to form a hypothesis about the rest of the settlers? Possibly. Do I say “all”? Where? > [@](#): > > It would generally behove you to make sure you check things out before you opine quite so… ardently. The cause of truth is served much better by one scholar than one hundred firebrands. I didn’t say I checked them out, I don’t need to do what I intend not to spend my time one. The suggestion was made that such quotes didn’t exist and that I could not come up with some. They do exist. I came up with some. There are a lot more like them. And speaking from experience, I’m also quite sure that whatever I post here **as a scholar** shall attrackt the same reactions as it gets up to now. Take the stupid comments made in this very thread by my Fanclubbing Friends to give you an idea. > [@](#): > > It’s always a good idea to substantiate your claims. > And, to be quite honest, when you make refrence to a lot of quotes, it is, IMO, rude of you not to provide easy access to their source. If you go back and read them, you shall see under each quote the reference about where they are published (or like some posted here in refuting their veracity: said to be published, indicated where I get them from). Not enough? Want my whole harddisk to be send to you? Or do you want my whole library all at once. Make up your mind about it. Sometimes I receive yet an other one of such spreaded shreds. Just like I receive other pieces of information about a lot of topics. It is not a hobby to collect them. They come to me like bees fly to the honeypot. For the greatest amount of time I don’t even put them on a harddisk myself. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/124 "2004-12-30T19:53:20Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > And speaking from experience, I’m also quite sure that whatever I post here **as a scholar** shall attrackt the same reactions as it gets up to now. And whenever you say something like this, catching members of **Alde’s Fan Club™** unawares and causing them to spit up on their keyboards, the Baby Jesus cries. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/125 "2004-12-30T20:01:18Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Because I heard them making them. Oh? Like you believe that Sharon is capable of saying the “quotes” you posted? > [@](#): > > I didn’t say I checked them out, I don’t need to do what I intend not to spend my time one. No? People have been _banned_ because misattributed quotes were the straw that broke the camel’s back. > [@](#): > > The suggestion was made that such quotes didn’t exist and that I could not come up with some. Not all of which are what you say they are. > [@](#): > > They do exist. I came up with some. Yes, they exist. That’s not the problem. The problem is that some of those “quotes” did not originate with the people to whom they’re attributed. > [@](#): > > There are a lot more like them. If they’re more “Sharon” quotes, don’t bother posting them. > [@](#): > > And speaking from experience, I’m also quite sure that whatever I post here **as a scholar** shall attrackt the same reactions as it gets up to now. Some “scholar” you are. You don’t even provide cites. Your brain is not a cite. > [@](#): > > If you go back and read them, you shall see under each quote the reference about where they are published Or misquoted, as is evidently the case with “[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.” > [@](#): > > Sometimes I receive yet an other one of such spreaded shreds. Just like I receive other pieces of information about a lot of topics. It is not a hobby to collect them. They come to me like bees fly to the honeypot. For the greatest amount of time I don’t even put them on a harddisk myself. Where do all these bees come from? If you don’t put them on a harddisk, who does? ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/126 "2004-12-30T20:14:12Z")
**Aldebaran** , I’m still waiting to find out why you thought “Jews control America” was relevant to the discussion and why you brought it up. (And while we’re at it – you have mysterious electronic bees that are drawn with all sorts of anti-Jewish sayings to your computer?) Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/127 "2004-12-30T20:25:04Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > They come to me like bees fly to the honeypot. More like flies to the chamberpot. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/128 "2004-12-30T20:30:23Z")
More like flies to the crackpot ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/129 "2004-12-30T20:32:16Z")
b]Aldebaran posts\*\* > [@](#): > > And you really have no idea of it that in Israel there are people who claim that all Arabs should be annihilated and how this should be done? > Did you for example ever read a few famous quotes in that direction coming from Great Arab Friend Ariel Sharon? > I did. Quite a few. Really. Whereupon he is challenged to support the above asertion > [@Jackmannii](#): > > ?Really? Cite? Wherupon **Aldebaran** replies with the following smokescreen, which I have edited to clear the smoke of irrelevant quotes by others than Sharon as follows [quote] > [@Aldebaran](#): > > I don’t know something called International Principles. I vow that I’ll burn every Palestinian child [that] will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child’s existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I’ve killed 750 Palestinians [in Rafah in 1956]. I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do. > _Ariel Sharon. > Reported: Interview with Ouze Merham, 1956_ > > Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them. > _Ariel Sharon addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party. > Reported Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998._ > > Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . … I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it. > _Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres. > Reported Kol Yisrael radio._ Note that the only quote that “supports” **Aldebaran’s** initial assertion is > [@](#): > > I don’t know something called International Principles. I vow that I’ll burn every Palestinian child [that] will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child’s existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I’ve killed 750 Palestinians [in Rafah in 1956]. I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do. > _Ariel Sharon. > Reported: Interview with Ouze Merham, 1956_ Well considering that I have learned not to trust **aldebaran’s** self-touted scholarship I tried to verify the above quote. [This cite](http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/006152.html) is what I found. [quote] None of the Web pages gives a source for the quote., beyond alleging that it was in “an interview with General Ouze Merham in 1956.” But neither I nor others have been able to find any evidence that a “General Ouze Merham” ever existed…No sophisticated person would be likely to find the quote plausible. It refers to Arabs as “Palestinians,” a term that was not yet in use in the 1950s…Moreover, nothing happene at Rafah in 1956. No “massacre.” No armed incursion by Israel into what was, at the time, sovereign Egyptian territory. **aldebaran** you really want to believe all that shit don’t you ! You sir are the most vile bigot I’ve ever come across these boards who has lasted more than a month. The continued tolerance for your bile and lies on these boards is comepletely baffling to me. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/130 "2004-12-30T20:36:34Z")
**grien** , [you’re a bit late](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5662686&postcount=72). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/131 "2004-12-30T20:42:35Z")
Thanks for the info regarding the use of “Palestinans” though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/132 "2004-12-30T20:49:58Z")
I did read it, but sort of filed that information away as a small representation of the general bullshit nature of his entire post. I came back to that quote when following through on the particular nature of **aldebaran’s** charge that Sharon had advocated wiping out the Palistinians and his return to back that up. You were being kind assuming he was just ignorant. I’m not buying that. I put him in the same group as holocaut deniers. On preview, your welcome 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/133 "2004-12-30T21:23:34Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > You were being kind assuming he was just ignorant. I’m not buying that. I put him in the same group as holocaut deniers. Actually, I was assuming that he was being his usual self. He’s worse than **december** , who would at least try to provide cites - such as they were. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/134 "2004-12-30T22:06:23Z")
Come to think of it, this thread has spawned a potential new and devastating insult. “How dare you ask me for a cite, you _plush dog._” ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/135 "2004-12-30T22:12:12Z")
\*[Need to get out of the pit. No air. No air. Laughing too hard] \* ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/136 "2004-12-30T22:59:55Z")
**Aldeberan** I’m very confused. This thread is about government approved Jew hating. You say that the Israeli government, or its prime ministers, have said things just as hateful about Palestinians and Arabs. Somebody asks you for an example. You post a long list of quotes. The quotes are proven false. Then, you say it doesn’t matter. How can it not matter? We already know that people hate the Jews and Israelis and say bad things about them. We have a government airing lies about Israel, right in the OP. If the quotes are just more hateful lies (and it looks like they are), why bother posting them? Why do you have a file of these things? Why haven’t you checked them against known facts to see if they can be proven or disproven? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/137 "2004-12-30T23:12:28Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “How dare you ask me for a cite, you _plush dog._” Very fitting, since **Aldebaran** ’s latest posts in this thread reminds me of a dog chasing its tail. ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/138 "2004-12-30T23:24:46Z")
> [@aldebaran](#): > > And by the way: You do know that Israeli tanks carried a plush dog with “Bush bark to yourself” (or something in that direction, I don’t quite remember) when after 9/11 the Israeli government took the advantage of the mood and deflection of attention. Not at all ready to listen to the Bush Clown who told Israel to back off a little. > It was all over TV screens everywhere I came. I don’t think that was staged somewhere in a studio. (Alessan surely knows more details on that.) Yes, yes, yes. We all know that. As well as you know that Syrian tanks carried a plush cat with “Pussy on board” (or something like that, my memory is not so good) when after Desert Storm the Syrian government took the advantage of the mood and deflection of attention. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/139 "2004-12-31T01:12:48Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > I don’t say I researched them. > **I don’t even make the effort to research the veracity of any “quote” attributed to the Arab side of the conflict. > The Israel/ Palestinian conflict is far away from my field of study and I really am not interested to get myself occupied with it.** > > Yet when asked to come up with such examples over and over again in a rather childish persistent way, spread over this thread an an other one? > **Why not give the children something to play with?** > > Salaam. A (bolding added) **Aldebaran** , we’ve given you plenty of time, chances and explantions to understand how you’re supposed to conduct yourself on this board. _Nobody_ has to prove their an expert or a scholar to enter a discussion. But the willingness to at least try to anchor arguments in fact is the a working basis here, as you’re well aware. Your hit-and-run style of argument has worn tissue thin. We have a name for the practice of throwing out wild assertions “for children to play with” while coyly refusing to make the slightest effort to defend them. It’s called trolling, i.e. causing upset just to get people riled up. Enough and too much already. **Stop it**. TVeblen Pit mod ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2004, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336/140 "2004-12-31T14:06:01Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > **Aldebaran** , we’ve given you plenty of time, chances and explantions to understand how you’re supposed to conduct yourself on this board. Yes, in fact the moderators of this board frequently did. Calling me a “jerk” when I question the devotion twoards US troops. Posting (perceived) location of my IP to help poor stalking Mehitabel in her quest to locate me. Attacking me in the very thread where I question these actions. “Warning” me to not take any side against the US military in Iraq, even when only in expressing a sentiment. While others can post whatever they want threatening about this very same issue, about things that most definitely form a threat to ME adn my family, my nation, my whole region. You are **very** clear indeed. > [@](#): > > b _Nobody_ has to prove their an expert or a scholar to enter a discussion. But the willingness to at least try to anchor arguments in fact is the a working basis here, as you’re well aware. What? I say that I give quotes to prove they exist. They do exist. Do you mean I have to say they don’t exist while they do exist? > [@](#): > > Your hit-and-run style of argument has worn tissue thin. **Which hit and run argument. You seem to forget that while you are awake I SLEEP!** Yes, how surprizing, I also do need to sleep! How convenient for you to show up under Mod Hat, taking the occasion to post unsubstantiated accusations while I am not even around and can’t be around. Ever heard of time zones?? > [@](#): > > We have a name for the practice of throwing out wild assertions “for children to play with” while coyly refusing to make the slightest effort to defend them. If you don’t call following posters around to nag them childish, your choice. A rather strange one in my view. And what “not defending them”. I say in this very thread repeatedly I do not believe them automatically just because they are aournd and published. **Because I did not undertake any research on them** If I ever want to use such files for whatever reason, you can take a bet on it I shall research them on veracity, or do you think I am retarded. In fact, those who came up with post making a claim to refute some of what I brought up, can be sure of it that what they came up with is not added to whre I have these quotes. If I ever want to make use of these files, the posts these members made are already a hint and a lead for eventual further research. **That is how things work**. You however seem to have no understanding at all of what I say. You jump on this like a shark, coming from deep water while I am not even in it. > [@](#): > > It’s called trolling, i.e. causing upset just to get people riled up Give me **one** example of what you so happily want to accuse me of. By the way, where is your Moderator Post asking those who claim that the serial that was brought up in the OP is in set up **by the Iranian government** to back up their claims? Because you see, I heard yesterday a claim made that it was in fact a production of Hezbollah. Someone else said: most probably Hamas. I woudn’t know. Do you? Does the OP knows? Can we see the documents of the Iranian government ordering to make this production? Or Hezbollah, or Hamas, or whomever invented it? What is in your view so different in providing the proof that quotes \*\*exist \*\*, which they do, and the claim the OP made that this production **exists** , which it does. The members here go even further and claim a production of the Iranian government without delivering solid proof of that. But that proof is enough to you? That is not “riling up” or whatever you call it? > [@](#): > > Enough and too much already. **Stop it**. What? Stop **what** exactly? What too much of **what**? **READ my posts instead of inventing WHAT IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY THERE.** Can I post on this message board in an other language to make myself clear? (Obviously not.) Why are you all so after me since the first days I became a member? Try to look inside yourself and find the answer. If you want to be an “international” message board, then be it. Don’t take the flisiest pretext and excuses to single me out, deal with it that your views, your culture, your interests **your army, your invasions** are not mine. Deal with it that when you allow people to come up with posts defending actions that form threats to me, my family, my coutnry, my region, I have the same right to post and defend defend mine. If you do not want this to happen, if you want to be a US -Western-Western Orientated orientated BLOG, then say so in your terms of agreement. You can read my proposals for that in the thread I opened on the subject. Be honest. Don’t come up with some crappy accusations of “trolling” and crappy warnings about “jerk” and about “do not think about shooting US service men” to build up “reasons” to ban me. If you think I’m an idiot who does not see right through all of this, think again. Of course there are a lot of people posting here who do not see right trough it and a lot who shall applaud you if you ban me. Dissident voices are never popular ones among the willfully blind. In case I get now banned for daring to speak out my mind and say things like I see them clearly: **To all the members of this message board:** Thank you for the interesting time and change of thoughts and viewpoints. Even when we do not agree, there is mutual respect from both sides and at the very least coming from mine. Even those who made a sport of attacking me can count on this coming from me. Even Mehitabel with her tiring,nagging intrusive curiousity. Even when I can not discern your reasons, that does not mean you have no right to have them. Hence there is no reason why I would judge you for having them and standing behind your convictions. May I wish you all a very happy 2005 in which no harm comes to you. Especially those who are in the US army and brought in danger by your government’s poilicies. I would fight you by all means if you were send to invade my country. As you would fight me if I was invading yours. It does not mean that we are born to be enemies or that I would not invite you in my house as a friend when you come as a friend. Salaam. A [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-wonder-everyone-hates-the-jews-they-steal-the-eyes-of-palestinian-children/281336.md?page=8)