# No, you asshole anti-abortion protestor. I do not want her to have an abortion@ **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624 "2010-04-28T14:31:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/201 "2010-04-30T22:31:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Because stupidity bothers me. (You haven’t figured that out yet from many of my reactions to \*you \*in other threads?) I’m not sure why you’re still on this, though, since I [already admitted I was wrong](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12401688&postcount=157). If you have such a problem with what you perceive as stupidity, you should remember that charity begins at home. For example, whether or not you admitted you were wrong has nothing to do with my question, which you have now ducked for the second? third? time. Shrug. I suggest you work on it. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/202 "2010-04-30T22:41:36Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > You know what demographic makes up most of the protesters? Catholics. Curious, is there a cite for this? That’s not been my impression. The protesters I’ve talked to or heard about have mostly been Baptists and/or evangelicals, but that could be a product of where I am. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/203 "2010-04-30T23:01:13Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Oh, well, only four hundred death threats. I’m relieved. > > And they are trying to intimidate. They’re trying to intimidate women into not aborting. There are ways to peacefully get your message across. They probably won’t be heeded, but getting up in someone’s grill when they’re in a vulnerable time IS intimidation. > > Either the pro lifers are so stupid that they don’t think grabbing and screaming is intimidating in which case someone should probably dangle a cookie in front of them and throw it so they go running off into the distance, or they actually are trying to control what women do with their bodies. Either way, if a screaming protester lays hands on me, no matter what their cause is, I’m calling the police. They have the right to assemble peaceably and they just messed up the peaceably part. Anyone who can’t see why a woman on her way to get an abortion or, hell, an AIDS test would be particularly sensitive isn’t really getting it. Why not let JWs outside the children’s hospital, screaming that parents who let their kids have blood transfusions are condemning them to hell? Outside pharmacies, convinced everyone is heading in for Plan B or RU486? Hell, I’ve gone out for a pregnancy test in a blizzard and if a crowd of people told me I was a murderer I would have had a breakdown and/or started punching jaws. But whatever. Sticks and stones, right? I think getting afraid or angry about abortion protesters is like getting mad over a guy licking his lips and telling you you have nice tits while you’re in the park with your baby nephew– lighten up! They’re just words! > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > No, I’m saying that this instance is an overreaction. Whether other instances are overreactions, I can’t say. It’s just tough for me to imagine that the circumstances laid out in the OP would result in an arrest. > > And I’ve just demonstrated that protesters DON’T kill people and hardly ever even threaten to do so. Again, you would find more death threats in any single high school in a year than 400. Of course they’re not threatening to kill women who want abortions. They’d be killing an innocent fetus. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/204 "2010-04-30T23:22:55Z")
Can somebody take a stiff drink for courage, pull on a latex glove and put a hand on Chessic’s arm to delay him on the way to the proctologist’s so he knows what it feels like, already? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/205 "2010-05-01T00:56:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > @ **Cat Whisperer** > > Exactly. When you’re not judging \*\*\*because \*\*\*you don’t know their circumstances, that pretty much implies that you \*\*\*could \*\*\*judge \*\*\*if \*\*\*you knew their circumstances. Which isn’t a very pro-choicy attitude to have. IMO, you should have the right to abort a pregnancy even if you’re just doing it for shits ‘n’ giggles. Even if you just got pregnant on purpose for the express purpose of getting an abortion. That doesn’t mean I can’t consequently consider you as a disgusting person, but it in no way gives me the right to remove that control from you. Is what I’m getting at. > > It was a valid question, and I straight-out said that I was pretty sure it wasn’t what he meant. Why are your panties all up in a wad? And how am I “going out of my way to take offense in this thread”? To make it easy, nobody ever knows anybody’s’ circumstances. Therefore an outsider has no right to pass judgments. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/206 "2010-05-01T01:05:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What other children’s issues are Catholics known for? Hmmm… > I mean, if we’re going to give whole groups credit or blame for the actions of some of their members, let’s not stop short. > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > And **Bryan** , I can’t believe I have to point this out, but clerical pedophilia has nothing to do with pro-life movements. You’re _ad hominem_-ing all over the place. I dunno. Looked more like well-poisoning to me. Made me laugh, though. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/207 "2010-05-01T01:07:12Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Zero’s a good number, and very under-appreciated number. I always wonder, is Zero a prime? Do the other numbers consider it a number? Do they threaten it? Does it get invited to parties? Mathematically speaking, zero is not a prime. The other numbers do not consider it a number, although they do grudgingly invite it to…some of the parties. None of them threaten it, however, because zero is the most dangerous of numbers. Yes, even more dangerous than seven. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/208 "2010-05-01T01:25:38Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Mathematically speaking, zero is not a prime. The other numbers do not consider it a number, although they do grudgingly invite it to…some of the parties. None of them threaten it, however, because zero is the most dangerous of numbers. Yes, even more dangerous than seven. Thank you. I’ll sleep like a baby tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Chef\_Troy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Chef\_Troy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chef_Troy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/209 "2010-05-01T04:13:53Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Thank you. I’ll sleep like a baby tonight. So you’re going to wake up every half-hour, screaming and sobbing? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/210 "2010-05-01T04:28:39Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > And **Bryan** , I can’t believe I have to point this out, but clerical pedophilia has nothing to do with pro-life movements. You’re _ad hominem_-ing all over the place. You only say that because you’re a complete fucktard. As evidence of your fucktardiness, you’re trying to claim: Most clinic protesters are Catholic. Most charity workers/contributors are Catholic. …therefore clinic protesters are charitable. Stop trying to spray your Eau d’Stupid on us like some kind of over-eager perfume-counter worker, please. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/211 "2010-05-01T04:36:22Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > That’s quite a distinction from the “pro-abortion” term you used earlier. Thank God. I almost slammed my laptop down in disgust. I mean, _ **who** would actually call themselves **PRO** -abortion?_ I’m pro-choice, but I consider abortion a horrible, tragic waste to be avoided at almost any cost. I would hope most people on both sides of the issue do. It’s like … what’s a good analogy? Maybe calling someone Pro-Murder Of Civilians, because they’re willing to tolerate a small percentage to achieve a greater goal. Or calling any Catholic apologist Pro-Pedophilia. I mean, does anyone go around _promoting_ abortions? “Excuse me, miss, I couldn’t help but notice that you’re in the most fertile years of your life… could I interest you in a novel experience? It involves getting knocked up and then getting your womb vacuumed. I think you should consider it. Well, at least take a pamphlet.” If you call me _Pro-Abortion_, then I’m going to assume you’re _Anti-Choice_ (and maybe call you _Anti-Life_ as well). ---
**Author:** ![moejoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@moejoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moejoe)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/212 "2010-05-01T17:24:03Z")
[quote=“curlcoat, post:198, topic:537624”] There are simply far too many people out there that pretend it is their business because they pretend to believe that abortion is murder and somehow “circumstances” make a difference. They don’t because it isn’t, simple as that. eh, I think a case could be made that it is murder, and obviously I’m not the first to think so. Also I think pretending it’s not murder is the whole problem, where we stand politically on the issue has nothing to do with the scientific realities of the medical procedure. I always thought the best defense to a wackadoo screaming in your face that you’re murdering your baby would be to scream back yes I am! As it is my legal right to do so! That’s telling em. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/213 "2010-05-01T17:42:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You only say that because you’re a complete fucktard. > > As evidence of your fucktardiness, you’re trying to claim: > > Most clinic protesters are Catholic. > Most charity workers/contributors are Catholic. > > …therefore clinic protesters are charitable. > Stop trying to spray your Eau d’Stupid on us like some kind of over-eager perfume-counter worker, please. This is your typical MO. You say something stupid, someone calls you on it, so you change topics. Listen very carefully: What does clerical pedophilia have to do with the pro-life movement? You brought it up, so you should have some reason for connecting the two. And my arguments goes thusly: The vast majority of Catholics are pro-life. Pro-lifers are Catholic in significant proportion. Catholics are charitable. …therefore a lot of pro-life are charitable, in direct contradiction with the claim “The pro-life movement doesn’t help the poor (while poverty leads to abortions)” Got it now, dumbass? > [@spark240](#): > > Curious, is there a cite for this? That’s not been my impression. The protesters I’ve talked to or heard about have mostly been Baptists and/or evangelicals, but that could be a product of where I am. No. I tried to find one earlier, but I couldn’t find evidence one way or the other. It is probably just a product of our environments. We don’t get a lot of Baptists this far north. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/214 "2010-05-01T19:00:59Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > This is your typical MO. You say something stupid, someone calls you on it, so you change topics. Listen very carefully: What does clerical pedophilia have to do with the pro-life movement? You brought it up, so you should have some reason for connecting the two. > > And my arguments goes thusly: > > The vast majority of Catholics are pro-life. > Pro-lifers are Catholic in significant proportion. > Catholics are charitable. > > …therefore a lot of pro-life are charitable, in direct contradiction with the claim “The pro-life movement doesn’t help the poor (while poverty leads to abortions)” > > Got it now, dumbass? I stand by my assessment, fucktard. Even if I grant your premises (a magnanimous act of generosity on my part), your conclusion is unsupported. It could easily be the case that some subset of Catholics are actively in the pro-life movement, while an entirely different subset are active in “charity to the poor”, and a third subset are really really into the “fuck little kids” thing. The mere fact that they share a religion means nothing. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/215 "2010-05-01T20:44:16Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > No. I tried to find one earlier, but I couldn’t find evidence one way or the other. It is probably just a product of our environments. We don’t get a lot of Baptists this far north. Funny, there are a lot of Baptists in western NY [I was raised one] and in Chicago, Michigan, Iowa … hm, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine [just randomly remembering where i have driven past self named Baptist churches in my travels] ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/216 "2010-05-02T07:07:51Z")
> [@moejoe](#): > > eh, I think a case could be made that it is murder, and obviously I’m not the first to think so. The case has been made over and over and so far, abortion is still not on the books as murder. > [@](#): > > Also I think pretending it’s not murder is the whole problem, where we stand politically on the issue has nothing to do with the scientific realities of the medical procedure. You cannot murder something that isn’t alive. > [@](#): > > I always thought the best defense to a wackadoo screaming in your face that you’re murdering your baby would be to scream back yes I am! As it is my legal right to do so! > > That’s telling em. Except it wouldn’t be true. It ain’t a baby until its born. Besides, anti-abortionists don’t care about the fetus or the baby it might become for the most part, they either have some - er - wackadoo religious problem or they want women to “go back to their place, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen”. Note that extremely few anti-abortionists pay the costs involved in bringing a pregnancy to healthy term, nor do they step up to adopt all of these babies they demand must be born. If a woman doesn’t want to continue a pregnancy, it is nobody’s business but hers and certainly not some random twit on the street. ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/217 "2010-05-02T13:16:58Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > One time I had a woman tell me that she didn’t want to go through with the abortion, that her boyfriend was pressuring her to do so. I was able to find one of the sympathetic protesters, who was willing to give this woman some resources. Why couldn’t the pro-choice people have been the ones to help the woman who didn’t want an abortion out, since after all they are pro-choice, not pro-abortion? (And in the view of many, the pro-choicers are the only ones who care about women, after all) Seriously. I respect pro-choicers who actually do something tangible to help out women who choose not to have an abortion. Most pro-choicers don’t seem to think it’s their problem, though. ---
**Author:** ![maladroit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@maladroit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maladroit)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/218 "2010-05-02T13:23:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What if you knew of a person that _did_ take it lightly, or at least no more seriously than any minor medical matter, like tonsillitis or liposuction? That person’s insane? I’d be thankful that person was not contributing to the gene pool. ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/219 "2010-05-02T13:23:24Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Most of them only support adoption to the right people; i.e. married couples.. I wish women wold stop having aborions and start only letting gays and lesbians adopt their children. That would certainly put a spoke into the protestor’s wheels. As I commented in your prior post on gay people adopting, I don’t have a problem with gay adoption yet I’m opposed to abortion. What do I win? I promise you that there are many pro-choicers out there who also harbor anti-gay prejudices. Anti-gay prejudice is still very prominent in this society, so of course you can find examples of people with these views if you look for them in any subgroup. > [@](#): > > They see no good in abortion and no harm in adoption. They think a woman should be able to give birth and just hand the baby over like a sack of potatoes and go on with her life like nothing happened. I can’t image anything more delusional and callous. So what do you make of women who have placed children for adoption themselves because of their pro-life views? I’ve known enough women who fit that exact category and understand the nuances of emotion involved in adoption. Of course, in most “protest” situations, you’re NOT going to find much nuanced debate. Go to a protest about the environment or healthcare or whatever and you’ll probably find the same. ---
**Author:** ![maladroit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@maladroit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maladroit)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624/220 "2010-05-02T13:25:19Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > Why couldn’t the pro-choice people have been the ones to help the woman who didn’t want an abortion out, since after all they are pro-choice, not pro-abortion? > (And in the view of many, the pro-choicers are the only ones who care about women, after all) > > Seriously. I respect pro-choicers who actually do something tangible to help out women who choose not to have an abortion. Most pro-choicers don’t seem to think it’s their problem, though. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that plenty of pro-choice people have family members with unplanned pregnancies, and unplanned births. I’m gonna even guess they help raise the child, and help support the mothers and fathers of those unplanned children. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-asshole-anti-abortion-protestor-i-do-not-want-her-to-have-an-abortion/537624.md?page=12)