# No, you ignoramuses, this \*isn't\* racist (or, "Here we go again..") **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 6, 2010, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886 "2010-01-06T11:09:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/361 "2010-01-07T17:53:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Specifically, the “awkward” comment and the “awkward” facial expressions. That is consistent with racial anxiety. It’s even more consistent with being stuck at the wrong end of the stand. The US doesn’t really have a tradition of travelling with it’s teams AFAIK so you also may not be aware of how common this idea is in most of the rest of the world. My small country has sometimes up to 10,000(more if we get to the world cup) supporters who travel with the team(soccer) when they play abroad. People move around the country all the time to follow their team. The idea of being stuck in the opposing team is a very familiar theme. That, the fact that the ads are about a guy using KFC to make his enjoyment of viewing cricket increase and that there is no negative issues with Windies supporters, to exact opposite in fact, makes most of us just see an ad with a Aussie and Windies supporters. Nothing more. Not much point in the above I know as it took you three pages to accept that people can easily differentiate who was supporting who even if the ad makers casted white people as black Caribbean’s ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/362 "2010-01-07T17:53:34Z")
> [@Hallucinex](#): > > …and entirely consistent with a fan that’s ended up seated in a stand full of the opposing team’s supporters, while he’s sitting there in his team’s uniform feeling out of place.. awkward. Of course it is, as I have repeated many times. That does not mean it is not also racially motivated. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/363 "2010-01-07T18:00:08Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Sounds like an opinion. Why is yours superior to mine? The fact that you have to ask pretty much sums up this entire thread. You don’t have a damn clue what you’re talking about, and you’ve been told a hundred times that pretty much everything you’re saying is idiotic. Still you continue to preach idiocy, like a priest telling his followers the world is flat while a sail disappears over the horizon in the distance. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/364 "2010-01-07T18:04:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Of course it is, as I have repeated many times. That does not mean it is not also racially motivated. Isn’t it up to you to demonstrate it is racially motivated? Or is the presumption one of racism? I’m serious about the offer in the last post. Find me a pattern of what a reasonable person would call racism in KFC Australia advertising and dinner is on me. We can hash the rules out, as long as the definition of racism isn’t “it could be racially motivated, so let’s assume it is.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/365 "2010-01-07T18:04:44Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Of course it is, as I have repeated many times. That does not mean it is not also racially motivated. You have said that you are pretty sure that it was racially motivated. Given all the good points about non-racial reasoning, is it only your gut feeling that convinces you of secret motives? An abiding conviction that there are always sinister motives? As yojimbo said “differing opinions” doesn’t mean it’s a wash. Your opinion seems rooted in an automatic assumption of guilt. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/366 "2010-01-07T18:06:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The fact that you have to ask pretty much sums up this entire thread. You don’t have a damn clue what you’re talking about, and you’ve been told a hundred times that pretty much everything you’re saying is idiotic. Still you continue to preach idiocy, like a priest telling his followers the world is flat while a sail disappears over the horizon in the distance. Apart from the little detail of the lack of followers. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/367 "2010-01-07T18:20:50Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Apart from the little detail of the lack of followers. Shhh. That was fucking _poetry_, man. ---
**Author:** ![kingbighair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/13edae/32.png) [@kingbighair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingbighair)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/368 "2010-01-07T18:22:05Z")
I would just like to point out that this has been a great thread in spurring some self reflection. In seeing **FinnAgain** and **Fear Itself** so steadfast and cocksure of their opinions in the face of completely overwhelming evidence against, it has made me wonder if I come off in such a way when arguing my opinions. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/369 "2010-01-07T18:29:19Z")
Well, what did you decide? ---
**Author:** ![kingbighair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/13edae/32.png) [@kingbighair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingbighair)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/370 "2010-01-07T18:33:38Z")
That I’ve probably come off as an ignorant, raving, unable to be dissuaded lunatic when I thought I was enlightened. Great day indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/371 "2010-01-07T18:36:05Z")
Happens. Probably to me, too. However, I am all-powerful, and the facts rearrange themselves to suit my position, so it’s not so bad. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/372 "2010-01-07T19:36:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > How is that an insult? Or racist? Talk about political correctness run amuck. :rolleyes: You are so big on the AD being racist, so YOU should NOT make comments like that. Don’t like it, don’t do it… Ever heard about the guy in the glasshouse throwing stones? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/373 "2010-01-07T20:01:16Z")
I’ve missed quite a few pages because it’s gotten so long but what about the fact that KFC is an American company and the ad was made by a U.S. based company? Yeah, it was made for Australia but they had to know how bad this would look once it got out, as these things invariably do. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/374 "2010-01-07T20:01:46Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because I am not allowed to in this forum. You are free to pit me if you feel you must. Thanks. I’ve decided to [take you up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=546871) on that offer. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/375 "2010-01-07T20:15:38Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I’ve missed quite a few pages because it’s gotten so long but what about the fact that KFC is an American company and the ad was made by a U.S. based company? Yeah, it was made for Australia but they had to know how bad this would look once it got out, as these things invariably do. What US based company made the ad? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/376 "2010-01-07T20:45:51Z")
As far as I’m aware, KFC Australia’s current agency is O&M Sydney. Maybe that’s Sydney, Idaho? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/377 "2010-01-07T21:04:52Z")
I’ve been trying very hard to ignore this thread because of the sheer futility of it all. Sure, we in Australia (and likewise the rest of the world) have been inculcated to a great extent with American values and attitudes, but we also have some of our own that are **actually unique** and cannot be easily transported across national lines, believe it or not. :rolleyes: You in the US have the Great Unspoken Fried Chicken and Watermelon Stereotype. Imagine if you will a slightly different scenario: Mick is sitting in the stands watching Australia bat against the Tourists, surrounded by a group of noisy and gregarious Windies supporters. The current test series is being sponsored\*\* not\*\* by KFC, but by **De Bortoli Wines**. In an attempt to get the crowd to shut the fuck up, he produces a cask of wine from under the trestle-seat and presents the goon in an act of bon-homie to his immediate (black) neighbours. How would those of you in the US view this act in terms of being immediately and blatantly racist? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/378 "2010-01-07T21:11:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > As far as I’m aware, KFC Australia’s current agency is O&M Sydney. > > Maybe that’s Sydney, Idaho? Ogilvy & Mather are a U.S. company, though. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/379 "2010-01-07T21:19:57Z")
I work for an English company in Australia. Believe it or not, the parent company has nothing to do with the day to day running of its subsidiary. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886/380 "2010-01-07T21:21:35Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Ogilvy & Mather are a U.S. company, though. So what? Ford is an American company, too - but if you buy a Focus in Belgium they don’t call Dearborn to see if they can give you a bigger discount. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-you-ignoramuses-this-isnt-racist-or-here-we-go-again/523886.md?page=20)