# Noah's Ark FOUND on Mount Ararat! (um, again...) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 27, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562 "2010-04-27T20:59:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/21 "2010-04-28T21:32:36Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > Dame JUDI DENCH?!?!? > > 😃 Ehhhh…I’d still mount her, but I think she is slightly less than 4800 years old. ---
**Author:** ![Eugene\_of\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c37758/32.png) [@Eugene\_of\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eugene_of_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/22 "2010-04-29T05:40:29Z")
So was there like any fossilized poop? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/23 "2010-04-29T06:18:53Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I’ve heard that there are so many expeditions to Mt. Ararat looking for the ark that there are often more than one there at the same time. It’s an-ark-y! ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/24 "2010-04-29T06:20:20Z")
BTW it is meant to be “135 meters long (300 cubits), 22.5 meters wide (50 cubits), and 13.5 meters high (30 cubits). That’s 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high” [http://www.creationtips.com/arksize.html](http://www.creationtips.com/arksize.html) ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/25 "2010-04-29T09:54:05Z")
> **[Welcome michaelsheiser.com - BlueHost.com](http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2010/04/noahs-ark-paleobabble-update)** > > Bluehost - Top rated web hosting provider - Free 1 click installs For blogs, shopping carts, and more. Get a free domain name, real NON-outsourced 24/7 support, and superior speed. web hosting provider php hosting cheap web hosting, Web hosting,... I should point out that this gentleman is the sort who feels mainstream archeology is not biblical enough. He is, however, apparently connected to this expedition somehow, as a fellow traveller, and is now revealing it as a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/26 "2010-04-29T13:11:53Z")
From the Sheiser blog: > [@](#): > > In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut’s men to the site saw the wood, but couldn’t get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film. As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters – something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it. From my first post upthread: > [@Digenes the Cynic](#): > > They probably put it there themselves. Called it. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/27 "2010-04-29T13:17:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Called it. Which, of course, poses an obvious question: _Why_ did they bother? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/28 "2010-04-29T13:35:03Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Which, of course, poses an obvious question: _Why_ did they bother? Just speculating, but if they’re following the Ron Wyatt model, the goal is to make money by telling hopeful believers that they’re onto something big, and just need a little more money to complete their research. Leaking a press release and provocative pictures helps create the illusion of legitimacy (notice that they wouldn’t reveal the location in the press release, and said nothing that could be immediately falsified by anyone without examining what they said they had found. There is even some superficially defensible truth in their claim that the wood was old, and that they had “found” it at aprticular elevation. They just leave out the part that they brought it up there themselves, _then_ “discovered” it) while they pretend that they’re doing more “work.” They string it out indefinitely, banking the profits in some other country, until the money dries up, or the hoax is revealed. It looks like the cat was lt out of the bag well before they intended it to be. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/29 "2010-04-29T14:11:17Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > BTW it is meant to be “135 meters long (300 cubits), 22.5 meters wide (50 cubits), and 13.5 meters high (30 cubits). That’s 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high” > [Welcome creationtips.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.creationtips.com/arksize.html) Right! :rolleyes:\* [Whats a cubit](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk)? \*😉 CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/30 "2010-04-29T14:14:23Z")
“Hi, we’d like to purchase permits to climb Mount Ararat so we can look for the Ark.” “Yes, I sell you permits. Permits are for Mount Bastam. Not Ararat. Bastam much better. Find more Arks there. Bastam very very good. You pay cash.” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/31 "2010-04-29T14:42:04Z")
Ok, so here’s the drill. We’re going to dig up enough fossilized trees to build an entire, full scale Ark. Then we’ll fill it with dinosaur fossils, trilobites and the hobbit skeletons. Then we’ll partially bury it _on the next mountain over from Ararat_. ---
**Author:** ![This\_Just\_In\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@This\_Just\_In\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/This_Just_In_2)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/32 "2010-04-29T15:46:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They probably put it there themselves. I always assumed it was a requirement for Ark discoverers to plant a new false Ark somewhere on the mountain for the next expedition to find. Sort of a variation of geocaching for nutjobs. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/33 "2010-04-29T16:08:19Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Which, of course, poses an obvious question: _Why_ did they bother? I think the linked blog gives a clue: > [@](#): > > I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. **I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it**, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details). ---
**Author:** ![maladroit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@maladroit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maladroit)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/34 "2010-04-29T16:56:47Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ok, so here’s the drill. We’re going to dig up enough fossilized trees to build an entire, full scale Ark. > > Then we’ll fill it with dinosaur fossils, trilobites and the hobbit skeletons. > > Then we’ll partially bury it _on the next mountain over from Ararat_. That would be fun! Where do I send the check? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/35 "2010-04-29T18:09:20Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ok, so here’s the drill. We’re going to dig up enough fossilized trees to build an entire, full scale Ark. > > Then we’ll fill it with dinosaur fossils, trilobites and the hobbit skeletons. > > Then we’ll partially bury it _on the next mountain over from Ararat_. Throw in some ‘crop circles’ on the glaciers and I’m in! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/36 "2010-04-29T18:21:01Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I believe the ark was thin at one end, much, much thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the other end. That’s my theory. > > EDTA: Damned **CalMeacham**!!! > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Right! :rolleyes:\* > [Whats a cubit](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk)? > > \*😉 > CMC fnord! Is there a graffiti of people treading water in it? (And damn you for stealing my post!) ---
**Author:** ![flano1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f14d63/32.png) [@flano1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flano1)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/37 "2010-04-30T00:15:33Z")
O gosh! I just read that as 4800 year old LAY! ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/38 "2010-04-30T02:53:29Z")
It’s beginning to sound a lot like Noah’s Ark Expeditions are the evangelical Christian version of Nigerian Mail Fraud… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/39 "2010-04-30T03:13:26Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > It’s beginning to sound a lot like Noah’s Ark Expeditions are the evangelical Christian version of Nigerian Mail Fraud… There are sincere (if misguided) expeditions, but these kinds of swindles are definitely an industry, and not just with Noah’s Ark either, but they string people along (and bleed them for “funding”) with promises of other sensational finds as well. Ron Wyatt was kind of the king of thes Biblical archaeology scams. He also calimed to have found Noah’s Ark, chariot wheels in the Red Sea from the Pharaoh’s pursuing army (complete with murky photographs of what appear to be wheels underwater), the true cross and (my personal favorite) claimed to have had the Ark of the Covenant in his basement, but, damn the luck, the “power” from the Ark would not allow clear photographs, only blurry flashes of light. It’s always a long con with just a little more work needed, and a grand, world-shaking revelation just around the corner, only they need just a tiny bit more funding first… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562/40 "2010-04-30T03:57:40Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > It’s beginning to sound a lot like Noah’s Ark Expeditions are the evangelical Christian version of Nigerian Mail Fraud… Reminds me of the nuns from Monty Python’s Holy Grail with the holy grail shaped beacon on their castle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noahs-ark-found-on-mount-ararat-um-again/537562.md?page=3)