# Noble titles in the age of same sex marriage and gender reassignment

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noble-titles-in-the-age-of-same-sex-marriage-and-gender-reassignment/720573>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [May 22, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noble-titles-in-the-age-of-same-sex-marriage-and-gender-reassignment/720573 "2015-05-22T05:43:27Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
**Page:** 2

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noble-titles-in-the-age-of-same-sex-marriage-and-gender-reassignment/720573/21 "2015-05-24T18:37:03Z")

</div>

The Queen is the Duke of Normandy in her own right;

> **[Duke of Normandy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Normandy#Duke_of_Normandy_.28British_monarch.29)**
>
> In the Middle Ages, the duke of Normandy was the ruler of the Duchy of Normandy in north-western France. The duchy arose out of a grant of land to the Viking leader Rollo by the French king Charles the Simple in 911. In 924 and again in 933, Normandy was expanded by royal grant. Rollo's male-line descendants continued to rule it until 1135. In 1202 the French king Philip II declared Normandy a forfeited fief and by 1204 his army had conquered it. It remained a French royal province thereafter, ...

However I don’t think that makes Prince Phillip the Duchess of Normandy.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noble-titles-in-the-age-of-same-sex-marriage-and-gender-reassignment/720573/22 "2015-05-24T21:06:38Z")

</div>

And, appropriately, [Lord of Mann](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Mann).

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90ced4/32.png) [@Waltzes\_with\_Cacti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waltzes_with_Cacti)\
**Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noble-titles-in-the-age-of-same-sex-marriage-and-gender-reassignment/720573/23 "2015-05-25T13:39:34Z")

</div>

Furnish doesn’t get to call himself Lady but it turns out that he’s listed as mother on the birth certificates of his and John’s children:

> **[Germaine Greer slams Elton John for over his sons birth certificates](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3095268/Germaine-Greer-slams-Elton-John-husband-David-Furnish-named-mother-birth-certificates-two-sons.html)**
>
> The 76-year-old activist said the couple's move was an example of how the concept of motherhood has 'been deconstructed' before going on to criticise the process of IVF.

[Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noble-titles-in-the-age-of-same-sex-marriage-and-gender-reassignment/720573.md?page=1)