# 'Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002 "2017-02-28T01:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/21 "2017-02-28T03:35:19Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > It’s probably a bad sign when one side cites white papers and government estimates for their plans … Washington elitist policy wonk bureaucratic bullshit, I think you mean. > [@Monty](#): > > This is not an exaggeration: I cry for my county today. I hate to break it to you **Monty** , but I think the problem is nationwide. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/22 "2017-02-28T03:39:14Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I hate to break it to you **Monty** , but I think the problem is nationwide. Damn you. I’m on the phone trying not to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/23 "2017-02-28T05:03:23Z")
This is yugely complicated people. You wouldn’t get it. Sad. There’s numbers, and rules, and insurance formulas, gears, staples, etc. you name it. It’s in there. But don’t worry, I’ve made a lot of new friends in the insurance industry and they explained to me how it’s going to go down. We made a plan. It’s a great plan. The best plan. I think you’re going to like it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/24 "2017-02-28T05:23:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > What a fucking idiot. I don’t think I can stomach watching his speech tomorrow night. I’ll summarize it for you now: “Shit. I know shit’s bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution…Now I understand everyone’s shit’s emotional right now. But I’ve got a 3 point plan that’s going to fix EVERYTHING. Number 1: We’ve got this guy Not Sure. Number 2: He’s got a higher IQ than ANY MAN ALIVE. And Number 3: He’s going to fix EVERYTHING.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/25 "2017-02-28T05:31:18Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > [Trump establishes the fact that he is either (or both) the stupidest person to ever run for president or the biggest liar to run for president](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/trump-health-care-complicated/). > > EVERYONE with a high school education and an IQ above 60 knew that healthcare was extremely complicated. Here’s my favorite part of the article at your link; the very end of the piece: > [@](#): > > Trump promises CEOs they will like his ‘fantastic plan’ > > But he told the CEOs that if the plan doesn’t accomplish his goals, they’d face his ire. > > “If things don’t work out I’m blaming you anyway,” he said. There’s footage of Trump saying that in the video clip on the page too. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/26 "2017-02-28T09:30:01Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I hate to break it to you **Monty** , but I think the problem is nationwide. Damn it. I really did mean to type “country”. But, hey, the TM come through to rescue me, with humor of course. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/27 "2017-02-28T09:32:20Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Everyone but you knew it was a complex issue, Trumplefuck. I love that name. I’m going to use it for him from now on. Trumplefuck. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/28 "2017-02-28T11:21:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > EVERYONE with a high school education and an IQ above 60 knew that healthcare was extremely complicated. But do you really know exactly how complicated it actually is? Of course, you neglected to quote this bit of the article: > [@](#): > > “We have come up with a solution that’s really, really I think very good,” Trump said at a meeting of the nation’s governors at the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/29 "2017-02-28T11:48:09Z")
Oh Trump said something? Well that settles it. He’s a man of his word. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/30 "2017-02-28T11:52:45Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Oh Trump said something? Well that settles it. He’s a man of his word. Unfortunately, that word is “pussy.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/31 "2017-02-28T12:24:44Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > But do you really know exactly how complicated it actually is? > > Of course, you neglected to quote this bit of the article: > > > [@](#): > > > > “We have come up with a solution that’s really, really I think very good,” Trump said at a meeting of the nation’s governors at the White House. Had enough comedy gold already ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/32 "2017-02-28T13:14:01Z")
It _isn’t_ complicated. The USA has a tax system (A), healthcare facilities (B) and sick people ©. A funds B to treat C…Works pretty well in the rest of the developed world and there are multiple variations on the theme out there to act as models for this. No reinvention require. The only hard part is the political will to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/33 "2017-02-28T13:44:23Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Oh Trump said something? Well that settles it. He’s a man of his word. 😃 He’s most definitely not a man of his word. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/34 "2017-02-28T14:44:43Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’ll summarize it for you now: > > “Shit. I know shit’s bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution…Now I understand everyone’s shit’s emotional right now. But I’ve got a 3 point plan that’s going to fix EVERYTHING. Number 1: We’ve got this guy Not Sure. Number 2: He’s got a higher IQ than ANY MAN ALIVE. And Number 3: He’s going to fix EVERYTHING.” You know, there was a time in this country when smart people were considered cool… well maybe not cool, but they did things like build ships and pyramids and they even went to the moon. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/35 "2017-02-28T17:07:01Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > It’s probably a bad sign when one side cites white papers and government estimates for their plans and the other side says it’s either a secret or don’t worry, it’ll be tremendous, believe me folks, and the electorate goes with the second guy. Paul Ryan: Of course we have a plan, and in the next weeks…months…you’ll find out what it is. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/36 "2017-02-28T17:42:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is he planning on declaring a War Against Health Care? Would that surprise you? > [@](#): > > Johnson had his war on poverty. President Nixon began the war on drugs. Friends, today I’m announcing our war on healthcare. It’s too complicated. It’s a menace. We don’t want it here. I’m going to bomb the shit out of it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/37 "2017-02-28T18:03:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is he planning on declaring a War Against Health Care? Why not just cut to the chase and declare war on sick people? I mean, they cost so much to take care of, they want special parking places, and special treatment _everywhere_– schools, buses, airplanes. They’re so self-centered. With them, it’s just me-me-me, all the time. With no more sick people, we could get rid of drugs, too, and that would solve the drug problem! Yeah! Life would be so much simpler if we just got rid of all of them. Then there would be more money for the [del]rest of us[/del] one percent. Now THAT would Make America Great! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/38 "2017-02-28T18:06:26Z")
Look at everything he has done; it’s a war on the working class. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/39 "2017-02-28T20:00:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Why not just cut to the chase and declare war on sick people? I mean, they cost so much to take care of, they want special parking places, and special treatment _everywhere_– schools, buses, airplanes. They’re so self-centered. With them, it’s just me-me-me, all the time. With no more sick people, we could get rid of drugs, too, and that would solve the drug problem! Yeah! Life would be so much simpler if we just got rid of all of them. Then there would be more money for the [del]rest of us[/del] one percent. Now THAT would Make America Great! :rolleyes: If he makes enough cuts to the EPA, the lack of clean water will take care of a bunch of them. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002/40 "2017-02-28T20:06:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Probably the voters, but we’re stuck listening to Trump everyday, so he’s going to be the target of most of our ire. I’d think most of his voters, when struck with the magnitude of being in the office, would attempt to understand the issues… No wait, I just realized how insane that is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nobody-knew-that-healthcare-could-be-so-complicated/781002.md?page=3)