# Non-autotuned singers that really could have used it **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 26, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274 "2020-06-26T20:59:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/1 "2020-06-26T20:59:32Z")
This really isn’t about whether autotune is good or bad, just kind of a fun thread about singers singing a bit off key, maybe in just in specific parts in specific songs. I’ll go. Eddie Money in just about anything. Take Me Home Tonight “Yeah _yeah_ yeah” at the beginning as an example. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/BRh-w8_BuRc/maxresdefault.jpg "Eddie Money - Take Me Home Tonight (Be My Baby)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRh-w8_BuRc) In fact, at times in the song it sounds like they’re shifting the pitch of the _music_ to accommodate him. Like a reverse auto-tune. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/2 "2020-06-26T22:19:04Z")
“[Because I Love You (The Postman Song)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc1uQI2XmZs)” by Stevie B really sounds like he “sang” an _a cappella_ melody line and then they went back and put instruments over it; the timing is off and the singing is outta tune in many places. Ick! ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/3 "2020-06-27T01:59:41Z")
Fabian (Forte). One of the earliest examples of “let’s take this good-looking kid and make him a pop star”. His early singing career in his own words : “…I rehearsed and rehearsed, and I really felt like a fish out of water. And we made a record. And it was horrible…” There is an apocryphal story of him rehearsing over and over to be able to sing “Happy Birthday” during a television appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/4 "2020-06-27T06:09:47Z")
Joan Osborne sings “Let’s Just Get Naked” out of tune on the album _Relish_. Now Joan is a very skilled vocalist and sings everything else perfectly in tune. All I can think is that she must have sung “Let’s Just Get Naked” out of tune on purpose. I can’t for the life of me understand why she would do that. Maybe “just for a laugh” like a line in the song says. But it sounds atrocious, unlistenable. Please autotune her on just that one song. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/5 "2020-06-29T15:51:31Z")
I just listened to “Let’s Just Get Naked”. I thought I wouldn’t think it was that bad since I don’t have that great of an ear-- I’ve heard people say “singer X sang that part a little off-key” and I don’t hear it. But that Joan Osborne song, ugh, that was like nails on a chalkboard. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/6 "2020-06-29T15:58:37Z")
Bob Dylan in everything he ever sang. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/7 "2020-06-29T16:11:13Z")
To me, it sounds like Joan Osborne is trying to evoke some sort early 90s indie/alt-rock vibe a la Exile-In-Guyville–era Liz Phair or something of that nature, but overshoots it a bit. It’s got a bit of a cool, detached, apathetic, fatalist vibe to it. Maybe even hinting a little bit at Lou Reed. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/8 "2020-06-29T17:34:09Z")
These guys are really old, but Jay of _Jay and the Americans_ used to really hurt my overly sensitive intetnal pitch meter. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/9 "2020-06-29T17:44:44Z")
Ditto Lou Reed. He can’t even talk in tune. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/10 "2020-06-29T17:50:12Z")
> [@markn\_1](#): > > Bob Dylan in everything he ever sang. It’s not that Bob Dylan sings off-key, necessarily. He very well may sing off-key sometimes, but the main issue is that he has a very non-conventional, some would simply say bad, singing voice. I happen to like his vocal style, but if you’re one of the people who don’t, ain’t no amount of auto-tuning gonna make it sound better to you. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/11 "2020-06-29T18:13:47Z")
The guy from Stealers Wheel sounds like Bob Dylan would, if Bob Dylan could hold a tune. In fact, I thought it was Dylan for a long time and wondered how he managed to sing so well on that song. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/12 "2020-06-29T20:01:18Z")
**Greg Lake**. In my OPINION (which I won’t bother defending) he had a terrific natural singing voice but didn’t really know how to use it, which is why he usually sounded really good, sometimes sounded magnificent, but too often sounded strained or had erratic pitch. With a little professional voice coaching he could have had more terrific performances and no bad ones. Back in the 70’s I read a story (Rolling Stone Magazine) about a voice coach, a middle-aged woman whose clients included classical singers as well as a few pop/rock types (Janis Joplin and Country Joe MacDonald are the only names I remember being mentioned). The interviewer asked her who she would most have liked to work with and her reply was Greg Lake, who “has a monster of a voice but doesn’t use it effectively.” I was pleased to see I wasn’t the only one to have noticed. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/13 "2020-06-30T02:11:50Z")
Back to say IMO autotune is for people who can’t sing very well, and Greg Lake was definitely not such a person. ---
**Author:** ![hostility](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hostility](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hostility)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/14 "2020-06-30T02:12:54Z")
I know this’ll be unpopular, but…add Ray Charles to the list. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/15 "2020-06-30T06:15:53Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > **Greg Lake**. In my OPINION (which I won’t bother defending) he had a terrific natural singing voice but didn’t really know how to use it, which is why he usually sounded really good, sometimes sounded magnificent, but too often sounded strained or had erratic pitch. That defect actually _helped_, for once, on “21st Century Schizoid Man.” A nice voice couldn’t have fit the song. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/16 "2020-06-30T06:22:52Z")
I’ll tell you somebody for whom autotune would be completely irrelevant: David Thomas of Pere Ubu. He doesn’t sing out of tune; he doesn’t sing in tune—he just doesn’t sing tunes at all. He just… puts his voice out there chaotically. I can’t think of any other way to describe it. On a few early Pere Ubu tracks, like “30 Seconds Over Tokyo,” he sang rudimentary almost-melodies… but from their second album _Dub Housing_ on, he almost entirely abandoned vocal melody. If you applied autotune to his vocals… nobody’d be able to tell! ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/17 "2020-06-30T20:28:31Z")
``` [quote="Johanna, post:15, topic:913274"] ``` That defect actually _helped_ , for once, on “21st Century Schizoid Man.” A nice voice couldn’t have fit the song. [/quote] Yep. By the way, that’s the only song from KC#1 that I still listen to frequently. It has aged _very_ well. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/18 "2020-07-03T02:20:21Z")
John Lennon. Fight me. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/19 "2020-08-02T23:12:05Z")
That’s it. It becomes clear now. Joan did “Let’s Get Naked” as a spoof on Liz Phair. It fits. It must have seemed hilarious at the time, but isn’t enough to sustain a whole song. It’s still unlistenable. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274/20 "2020-08-03T00:49:32Z")
Great observation how Thomas eschewed the whole melody thing post-_Modern Dance_. Curious how Captain Beefheart woulda sounded autotuned. 🙃 Or if Gil Gottfried tried his hand at it. Colin Hay. Or, wait, I mean a 16-ton weight dropped on top of him. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-autotuned-singers-that-really-could-have-used-it/913274.md?page=2)