# Non-Communist Chinese flag **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077 "2016-04-13T13:57:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gretchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8edcca/32.png) [@Gretchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gretchion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/1 "2016-04-13T13:57:41Z")
I wasn’t sure where to put this question, so feel free to move it wherever. Let’s say China reaches a point where they no longer want anything to do with communism. They look at their flag and it reminds them of that which they left behind. What would be a likely flag for them to go with? Something from their history? Something completely new? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/2 "2016-04-13T14:05:07Z")
How about [this one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg)? (Picture of the flag of the Republic of China (Taiwan).) ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/3 "2016-04-13T16:48:32Z")
They have already removed the hammer and sickle from the larger star. What else needs to be done? A star is not symbolic of communism, even the USA flag has stars on it. The yellow dragon flag of the Qing Dynasty is considered to be the first flag of a unified CHina. > **[Flag of the Qing dynasty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Qing_Dynasty_%281889-1912%29.svg)** > > The flag of the Qing dynasty was an emblem adopted in the late 19th century featuring the Azure Dragon on a plain yellow field with the red flaming pearl in the upper left corner. It became the first national flag of China and is usually referred to as the "Yellow Dragon Flag" (traditional Chinese: 黃龍旗; simplified Chinese: 黄龙旗; pinyin: huánglóngqí). > Ruling China from 1644 until the overthrow of the monarchy during the Xinhai Revolution, the Qing dynasty was the last imperial dynasty in China's h... ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/4 "2016-04-13T17:00:20Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > They have already removed the hammer and sickle from the larger star. In 1949, before it was ever flown. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/5 "2016-04-13T20:48:29Z")
After the fall of the Qing Dynasty, they used several versions of a five-colored flag. > **[Five Races Under One Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Races_Under_One_Union)** > > Five Races Under One Union was one of the major principles upon which the Republic of China was founded in 1911 at the time of the Xinhai Revolution. Its central tenet was the harmonious existence under one nation of what were considered the five major ethnic groups in China: the Han, the Manchu, the Mongols, the Hui (including the Uyghurs), and the Tibetans. > This principle emphasized harmony between what were considered the five major ethnic groups in China, as represented by the colored stri... During the Japanese invasion, some of the puppet governments in Nanjing and Manchuria used variations of it, so it acquired a stigma. I think they should go back to the dragon banner. It was cool. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/6 "2016-04-13T21:21:41Z")
> [@Gretchion](#): > > I wasn’t sure where to put this question, so feel free to move it wherever. > > Let’s say China reaches a point where they no longer want anything to do with communism. They look at their flag and it reminds them of that which they left behind. What would be a likely flag for them to go with? Something from their history? Something completely new? Honestly, their flag will be the least of their worries since to get to the point where they ‘no longer want anything to do with communism’ would mean a systemic collapse. That said, assuming the CCP went tits up, in theory Taiwan would be the successor, since they still claim to be the legitimate government (as the CCP claims that Taiwan is simply a rebellious province and will one day come back into the fold). It’s at least theoretically possible that they would simply take over management, in which case they already have a flag (shown in the first post of this thread). I think it’s highly unlikely this would happen, mind, but it’s possible I suppose… ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/7 "2016-04-13T23:09:36Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > They have already removed the hammer and sickle from the larger star. What else needs to be done? A star is not symbolic of communism, even the USA flag has stars on it. > > The yellow dragon flag of the Qing Dynasty is considered to be the first flag of a unified CHina. > > [Flag of the Qing dynasty - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Qing_dynasty#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Qing_Dynasty_%281889-1912%29.svg) It would be good idea to readopt that flag, similar to what Libya did post Gaddafi with bringing back the pre Gaddafi flag. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/8 "2016-04-13T23:40:12Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Honestly, their flag will be the least of their worries since to get to the point where they ‘no longer want anything to do with communism’ would mean a systemic collapse. That said, assuming the CCP went tits up, in theory Taiwan would be the successor, since they still claim to be the legitimate government (as the CCP claims that Taiwan is simply a rebellious province and will one day come back into the fold). It’s at least theoretically possible that they would simply take over management, in which case they already have a flag (shown in the first post of this thread). I think it’s highly unlikely this would happen, mind, but it’s possible I suppose… Technically, the Chinese government is run by a United Front coalition of nine political parties. The nine parties are the Communist Party and eight political parties you never heard of. But this legal fiction allows the Chinese government to claim it’s not a one-party dictatorship. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-communist-chinese-flag/752077/9 "2016-04-14T20:27:45Z")
It would be cool if Jin Yuzhang became emperor. That dragon flag looks better than New Zealand’s.