# Non-political Trump question **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 15, 2020, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403 "2020-07-15T13:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/41 "2020-07-19T15:38:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What do you mean by ‘photo-shopped’? In common usage, in my experience, ‘photoshopped’ means an image has been altered to add things that were not there, or to remove things that were. The photographer who took the original black-and-white photo said, ‘This picture was never photoshopped, but used the Apple smartphone’s photo app to adjust the color of the picture.’ Is colourising the same as ‘photoshopping’? Sloppy language on my part. (And if we’re going to do the full-on SDMB nitpick thing, it should have been “Photoshop,” capital P, no hyphen.) What I should have said is, “that photo has been digitally altered.” Personally, if someone used Photoshop to exaggerate the colors, even if they didn’t add or remove items, I’d still consider it “Photoshopped.” But in this case, I guess it has been Apple Smartphone’d. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/42 "2020-07-19T18:01:55Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > What I should have said is, “that photo has been digitally altered.” Personally, if someone used Photoshop to exaggerate the colors, even if they didn’t add or remove items, I’d still consider it “Photoshopped.” I didn’t intend to pick nits, re: literally using Photoshop. What I meant was that I don’t think colourising a B&W photo or adjusting contrast is an alteration that rises to what is, in my experience, the common usage of ‘photoshopping’. Given that the same obvious makeup line is seen in photographs from different photographers, the image is ‘real’ and should not be called ‘photoshopped’ as the use of that word implies that it is ‘fake’. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/43 "2020-07-19T20:10:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What I meant was that I don’t think colourising a B&W photo or adjusting contrast is an alteration that rises to what is, in my experience, the common usage of ‘photoshopping’. That’s where we differ, in this specific case. That is, assuming that the colorization exaggerated the tan line, which is the assumption I am operating under. If I am wrong, and a person with normal vision physically standing next to Trump would see that same grotesque variation between his visible face and the edges that are normally covered by hair, then I would not see any digital alterations as significant in this case. To put it another way, if the colors were added/adjusted for the express purpose of making Trump look ridiculous above and beyond what a “real” observation would, then I think the photo counts as digitally altered. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/44 "2020-07-19T20:27:57Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > If I am wrong, and a person with normal vision physically standing next to Trump would see that same grotesque variation between his visible face and the edges that are normally covered by hair, then I would not see any digital alterations as significant in this case. [Here is a different photo.](http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200210124007-trump-wh-lawn-0207-restricted-story-top.jpg) ‘So, in search of the truth, I went looking for a photo of the same moment from another photographer – or as close to it as I could find. And this is what turned up – a picture taken from a slightly different angle by Michael Reynolds for EPA-EFE/Shutterstock.’ ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/45 "2020-07-19T20:41:40Z")
It seems that Reynolds isn’t commenting on whether his photo was in any way doctored. Assuming it wasn’t, WOW. I can’t comment further without violating the “non-political” nature of the thread. Let’s just say the contrast is…unusually pronounced. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/46 "2020-07-19T20:48:16Z")
Missed edit window - here’s a third photographer’s snapshot: [https://www.google.com/search?lr=&as\_qdr=all&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=did+Michael+Reynolds+alter+the+tan+line+on+the+photo+of+Donald+Trump?&hl=en&safe=images&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj8vYmdl9rqAhVCLX0KHaToD2IQjJkEegQICBAB&biw=1328&bih=789#imgrc=uC27fDxxjtWw9M](https://www.google.com/search?lr=&as_qdr=all&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=did+Michael+Reynolds+alter+the+tan+line+on+the+photo+of+Donald+Trump?&hl=en&safe=images&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj8vYmdl9rqAhVCLX0KHaToD2IQjJkEegQICBAB&biw=1328&bih=789#imgrc=uC27fDxxjtWw9M) I’m not sure if it is the same day or not, but it doesn’t really matter. The point is that the evidence is pointing to the tan line being a real thing. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/47 "2020-07-21T22:33:27Z")
I doubt Fox News would be manipulating anything to make Trump look _bad._ [![](https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/02bbc0ee-bdbe-4826-bd42-3d3bc98ee1ce/6e00807d-2c29-47d8-a239-68b95c4c2e58/1280x720/match/931/524/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1) ](https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/02bbc0ee-bdbe-4826-bd42-3d3bc98ee1ce/6e00807d-2c29-47d8-a239-68b95c4c2e58/1280x720/match/931/524/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1) [![](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200719172346-chris-wallace-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-donald-trump-exlarge-169.jpeg) ](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200719172346-chris-wallace-fox-news-sunday-interview-with-donald-trump-exlarge-169.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/48 "2020-07-22T11:18:54Z")
He has ‘world-class’ make-up artists, but, you give the client what he wants. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/49 "2020-07-22T21:34:26Z")
At least he doesn’t paint his face Kabuki White like Elizabeth the First. On the other hand, Liz’s paint had lead in it…Nah, lead’s got nothing to do with Trump’s idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/50 "2020-07-22T21:48:54Z")
If you think he looks ridiculous with it, [you should see him without it.](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/this-is-what-donald-trump-would-look-like-without-his-fake-t) Warning- brain bleach needed after viewing. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/51 "2020-07-22T23:16:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > If you think he looks ridiculous with it, [you should see him without it.](https://www.buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/this-is-what-donald-trump-would-look-like-without-his-fake-t) Warning- brain bleach needed after viewing. Wow. I withdraw what I said above. Now that I’ve seen Trump without a fake tan, I realize he made the right call with having one. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/52 "2020-07-23T21:29:46Z")
Naah. It only looks so startlingly pale because of the light he’s under there, and because we’re not used to it. I’ve seen people that are pretty pale. It’s not horrifying. (Plus he spends enough time golfing he doubtlessly gets _some_ sun, if there wasn’t pancake makeup in the way.) If he didn’t bronze, he’d be a maybe-pale white dude. With the bronze he’s a sloppy orange clown. (Though admittedly everything else about his look -hair, clothes- also contributes to that too.) ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/53 "2020-07-23T21:32:53Z")
I thought he looked a LOT better without the orange gunk–still like a bloated version of his fake-pouty younger self, but definitely better than the pumpkin spice version. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/54 "2020-07-24T02:05:31Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Though admittedly everything else about his look -hair, clothes- also contributes to that too. …his tiny little hands… ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/55 "2020-07-24T02:14:49Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > It’s not horrifying. Oh yes he is. Orange make-up or not. \ ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/56 "2020-07-24T06:01:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > …his tiny little hands… Well, I wasn’t holding disabilities he couldn’t help against him, like his tiny hands or his tiny mushroom or the fact he’s an ugly fucker. That he can’t help. Stuff like his hair, his clothes, and his pumpkin face are _his own fault._ > [@Senegoid](#): > > Oh yes he is. Orange make-up or not. I was talking about paleness in general, not his saggy visage. Him I’d be thrilled to never see again. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/57 "2020-07-24T08:44:49Z")
Once upon a time, the guy was actually normal looking. I mean, he’d never win “Sexiest Man Alive”, but he at least looked human. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/58 "2020-07-24T14:08:06Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Well, I wasn’t holding disabilities he couldn’t help against him, like his tiny hands or his tiny mushroom or the fact he’s an ugly fucker. I wouldn’t either. Before he did his impression of Serge Kovaleski. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/59 "2020-07-24T14:29:55Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Trump is incessantly mocked for his orange pancake make-up and his reverse raccoon eyes. His appearance has to be 100% deliberate- he has world class beauticians at his disposal, yet he prefers to look ridiculous. How is it to his advantage to look this way? If what you wanted was to distract from your actions, couldn’t there be a less humiliating way? Didn’t read the whole thread. I’m replying directly to the OP. Because he knows better than the experts. Like he does in every other area-- business, medicine, statistics, technology, history, international politics, psychology, and every other field of human endeavor. No one can tell him anything, and I’m sure that includes makeup experts, even the best makeup experts in the world. Many of us know women who wear makeup that is hideous and appallingly unflattering but no one can tell them. They like what they see in the mirror and dismiss others’ opinions. Anybody remember the flight attendant on _What Not to Wear_ who insisted on layers of black-black-black eyeliner and false eyelashes that looked like bloated, fuzzy caterpillars? Stacy and Clinton cleaned her up, but she reverted right back 'cause she knew better and liked the look. Donald knows more and better than anyone else in the whole wide world and that’s that! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403/60 "2020-07-24T15:51:08Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Once upon a time, Before the alien thing atop his head started draining his life force. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-political-trump-question/915403.md?page=4)