aynrandlover, I’m grinning as I type this, because I have learned to respect you and your opinion here on the SDMB (I’ve been following the “how we know what we know” thread with interest and difficulty). I suspect, therefore, that you and I will agree far more than we disagree, and I think we might be nitpicking one another’s semantics, here. That said, I’ll attempt to clarify.
Well, sort of yes and no. True, there’s no single vanishing point, as in “conventional” artwork. The cubist painter disassembles the subject and reconstitutes it in a form that allows the viewer to perceive it from multiple perspectives simultaneously. I would argue that, by doing so, perspective is not “gone,” it is in fact brought to the fore, in that it’s the very lack of conventional perspective that’s being treated. I suggest that in looking at such a work, one first perceives it holistically, and subconsciously reacts against its nonrepresentation; then one views it reductively, i.e. pulling apart the various perspectives to figure out what the hell it is; then, having done that, one can then re-synthesize the artwork and view it holistically again, this time with a more complete understanding of its intent. Clearer?
Oh, I’m totally with you there. If it seemed I was suggesting that formal utilization of meter and structure makes a poem “better” or “more valuable” than one that doesn’t, then I apologize. “Ring Around the Rosey” is certainly not a better poem than, say, Sylvia Plath’s “Fever 102.” I was simply saying that artistic sparks really fly when the work occurs at the point of collision between formalism/tradition and violation/exploration, but that for this to happen, the artist must be aware of which conventions he/she is breaking. To reiterate what I said before, Picasso could draw.
Well, again, I’d go back to the holistic/reductionist/holistic behavior described above with respect to perceiving a cubist work. One can certainly enjoy and appreciate Hamlet or Bach or, oh, Le Corbusier, without knowing anything about meter or fugue form or theories of proportion. I’m arguing that you can go beyond the initial holistic perception and get added meaning out of the work, which is then synthesized back into an overall understanding. When I read or listen to Shakespeare, I’m not consciously counting syllables. I’ve just done so much work with it, it’s sort of a subtle undercurrent that feeds into my appreciation on a subliminal level. Ditto for Bach: You can enjoy the beauty of his melody and orchestration. If you want, you then can look at the mathematical and structural rigor with which the music is built. If you spend enough time studying it, it becomes second-nature, and you can then go back and enjoy the music on multiple levels. I’m not saying the beauty is the structure, I’m saying the beauty is enhanced by the structure, and an awareness and familiarity with this can increase one’s appreciation of the overall beauty of the work, as a whole.
Does this make more sense?