# NON-US dopers. A poll. Do you dislike Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2003, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585 "2003-06-04T13:35:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/101 "2003-06-09T09:53:18Z")
**Czarcasm** - this clearly wasn’t meant to be a rant (disguised or otherwise). **yojimbo** merely created the poll to try to show certain pig-headed individuals in GD that the statement that Bush is “spectacularly loathed abroad” is indeed correct. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/102 "2003-06-09T09:53:26Z")
Oh, and for the sake of this poll I should add that I’m British. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/103 "2003-06-09T11:12:55Z")
I dislike him intensely, and am scared of his Administrations policies with regard to the Middle East. So, is IMHO now called “In my Humble Opinion, but not containing Swear words or negative views of the President?” ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/104 "2003-06-09T11:57:21Z")
American living overseas. One of the things keeping me from applying for Japanese citizenship is that I wouldn’t be able to vote against him in 2004. And **censored** , for whatever reason, I always thought he was short, too. I guess he just comes across as a very small, childish man. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/105 "2003-06-09T12:08:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\ ***Czarcasm** - this clearly wasn’t meant to be a rant (disguised or otherwise). **yojimbo** merely created the poll to try to show certain pig-headed individuals in GD that the statement that Bush is “spectacularly loathed abroad” is indeed correct. \*\* I must say i agree. Is it the rule now that if a vast majority of the respondents to a poll take up the negative position, then that “poll” is automatically transformed into a “rant”? Is there a cut-off point at which the “poll” designation remains viable? 70/30 perhaps? or 60/40? Would this thread have ended up in the Pit if 90% of the respondents had said “I really like Bush and think he’s doing a good job, and all the critics are idiots”? I thought not. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/106 "2003-06-09T12:24:12Z")
I can’t believe I’m the first to say this, but **Czarcasm** moved this to the right forum, IMO. Regardless of the tone or intent of the OP (which I agree was merely to establish a representative base of ‘foreign’ opinion re: Bush), quite a few of the responses have been small rants about the subject. Moving this thread to the BBQ Pit will allow freer ranting, but actually has no effect on the validity of the poll. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/107 "2003-06-09T12:28:03Z")
Can we forget about where the thread is. It doesn’t really bother me to be honest and as **xenophon41** says it doesn’t really effect it. May even get more posts as the Pit is probably busier than IMHO 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/108 "2003-06-09T12:30:01Z")
Hey, i doesn’t really worry me either. I was just interested in how consistently this sort of logic will be applied. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/109 "2003-06-09T12:39:46Z")
Well, if the OP was “who the fuck likes Michael Jackson”, you’d probably get the same result. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/110 "2003-06-09T13:30:36Z")
I can only shake my head in disbelief that such a man can be considered to be a worthy leader. Doesn’t seem to be too popular beyond US shores, does he? pan ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/111 "2003-06-09T13:41:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > **Doesn’t seem to be too popular beyond US shores, does he?** This thread doesn’t prove anything. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/112 "2003-06-09T14:09:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > **Doesn’t seem to be too popular beyond US shores, does he?** I am struck by the overwhelming vote against Bush and his policies. Two questions for my European friends: Among the banned weapons that Saddam was known to possess were intermediate range rockets. Some of them might have been able to reach parts of Europe. 1. Did that worry you? 2. If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/113 "2003-06-09T14:12:35Z")
1. What the hell has that got to do with it? 2. Why? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/114 "2003-06-09T14:15:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*1. Did that worry you? > 2. If not, why not? \*\* 1. No. 2. Because they didn’t exist (it was UK intel reporting on a missile type in development that might come into fruition in a few years’ time if all went well for Saddam). ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/115 "2003-06-09T14:16:03Z")
Or, to put it another way: America’s use of resources is fucking up the world big time. 1. Does that worry you? 2. If not, why not? America’s tendency to shoot first and answer questions later is leading to increased tension across the world. 1. Does that worry you? 2. If not, why not? Wow. This simplisitic question game sure is fun. Shall we play it some more? Bush wishes to put tariffs on foreign steel entering the US. 1. Does that worry you? 2. If not, why not? pan ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/116 "2003-06-09T14:19:10Z")
Actually, now I’m annoyed with myself for responding. **december** , this is a poll thread with a few clarification posts in it - not a debate about why or why not non-US people dislike Bush - just whether or not they do. With all due respect, do you mind not hijacking it? Start your own GD or Pit rant or something. Apologies for furthering of hijack. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/117 "2003-06-09T14:19:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > America’s tendency to shoot first and answer questions later is leading to increased tension across the world. > > 1. Does that worry you? No > [@](#): > > 1. If not, why not? Because Bush’s “shoot first” policy isn’t increasing tension across the world. > [@](#): > > Bush wishes to put tariffs on foreign steel entering the US. > > 1. Does that worry you? Yes. It was a big mistake for Bush to up these tariffs IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/118 "2003-06-09T14:22:01Z")
Fuck off back to your own threads, **december** , you fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/119 "2003-06-09T14:22:30Z")
In Spain he was disliked long before Iraq. In June 2001 he visited Madrid and The Guardian said: > [@](#): > > [Link](http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,506114,00.html) > > No US president for decades, not even Ronald Reagan, has attracted as much unpopularity in Europe as Mr Bush and his brand of Texan redneck politics. > . . . . > Mr Bush felt confident enough to try his Spanish, which, it turns out, is extremely limited. At the press conference with Mr Aznar, who appeared to have no hard feelings after Mr Bush the previous day called him Mr Anzar, the US president repeatedly tried out various Spanish phrases. But within 20 seconds of Mr Aznar starting to speak, Mr Bush’s comprehension was exhausted and he reached for an earpiece carrying a translation. > > [Link](http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,505698,00.html) > > Mr Bush was mocked during the US election campaign for his relative ignorance of international affairs, but had always maintained he could speak Spanish. But in the interview he referred to Jose Maria Aznar as “Anzar” and employed a mangled grammar, placing the emphasis on the wrong parts of words and confusing gender. He is seen as a dangerous clown. While I cannot find any polls about him personally, [91% of the Spanish people opposed the invasion of Iraq](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22El+91%25+de+los+espa%C3%B1oles+es+contrario+al+ataque+militar%22) and I think it is safe to assume about that percentage dislikes him and his policies. ---
**Author:** ![Kalimero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aca169/32.png) [@Kalimero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalimero)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585/120 "2003-06-09T14:30:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Among the banned weapons that Saddam was known to possess were intermediate range rockets. Some of them might have been able to reach parts of Europe. > > 1. Did that worry you? > 2. If not, why not? 1. No 2. Why would he attack us? I’ve always had the impression that with pre-war pressure, Saddam was sufficiently deterred. Of course I admit that this pressure did _not_ come from Europe. “Attack your neighbors and we will invade.” would have been a good way to deal with this “threat”. “We will invade whatever you do” was not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-us-dopers-a-poll-do-you-dislike-bush/179585.md?page=7)