Non-US Dopers, what mentions of contemporary American culture puzzle you?

Sorry, simulpost with Loach.

Loach, I was looking at the possibility of migrating to Australia and, while they do not let anybody in and they have all this sea around (which kind of eases immigration policies), their requirements are quite a lot easier to understand and work through than American ones.

Also, it is my experience that, while getting information on kinds of Visa isn’t so bad (specially with the 'net) and getting information on “how to become a US citizen once you’re a resident” isn’t so bad… getting information on the intermediate step “becoming a US permanent resident” is a pain in the doohickey. Most countries have information on all steps in the same webpages/pamphlets.

Shit have you ever tried to go to a US government website? On any level? It’s like reading computer instructions in Chinese. They don’t make it easy for citizens, why should they make things easy for some foreigners? :smiley: We may not have invented bureaucracy or red tape but we have perfected it.

It took me three tries before I was able to get all the documentation I needed to renew a driver’s licence that I had for 20 years. And that was after I visited the website for the information. And I’m a police officer. You expect the goverment to make something like immigrating easy?

Yes I have. I still keep my Florida driver’s license. And when I tried to get my PA one and found out I couldn’t unless I lied to the person at the counter (the one who threatened with calling the cops on me because my kind of Visa wasn’t in her list) a coworker informed me that “hey, this is an equal-opportunity state: we screw up everybody, regardless!”

I actually seem to know more about US immigration laws than some of the corporate immigration lawyers I’ve dealt with. Next time I have to move Over There, I want Eva Luna on my case or I’m not going!

I believe that the Catholic Church frowns upon secret societies, so at Georgetown University (and perhaps at other Catholic institutions), Greek-letter organizations are banned from official activities.

But…but…what about Opus Dei? Did Dan Brown lie to us?

Are people who attend University there still living at home? That’s the main reason that going to college is a major life experience over here - most people, even those who go to college in their home state, move out of their parents’ house and into dorms or other student housing. It’s their first time living on their own, being completely independent of their parents. A lot of college social life focuses on drinking alcohol and having sex because those things are usually forbidden at home and students are revelling in their newfound freedom. (And because sex is fun.)

[political rant]Well really, that propaganda is geared toward an American audience, it’s not intended to try and seduce immigrants. The American Dream is a lie intended to help keep the working poor in their place by convincing them that America is a land of opportunity, and if you just work hard enough long enough you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps.[/political rant]

It seems odd to me, too, and to a lot of Americans. I thought I remembered some recent talk in Congress about limiting or eliminating riders, but I can’t find anything about it now. Perhaps it was all a dream. :o

I’m skeptical that this system is kept in place just because law schools teach it to be true. It just takes one enterprising legislator to cobble together several popular bits of legislation to break the rule. There are plenty of reasons to give something like this a try and plenty of legislative opportunities throughout the course of a year, so I’m guessing there has to be some legal authority – whether a constitutional provision, a constitutional court decision, a “house” rule (a legislature can make its own rules) that prohibits such bills. For such a doctrine to just be “taught” in law school isn’t enough. It has to be explicitly adopted by some body that has constitutional authority in a country.

Princeton University doesn’t have (and to my knowledge never did have) Greek Letter Societies. They’re banned there.

Princeton does have “Eating Clubs”, supposedly places to go and dine, that serve pretty much the same purposes.

I really appreciate your response, Nava. I actually had no clue how this idea worked in other countries, or if it did. I find it a bit ridiculous myself. Of course, that is why I’m only a college student instead of a politician.

Brendon

This is going to get messy, but yes. I think border should be completely open. Also, I navigate a government website (the IRS) virtually every day. That website is actually pretty easy to find what you need.

I mention this previously; there are Greek organizations; they just aren’t officially recognized. Four of the historically black orgs started up when I was there: A Phi As, Kappas, Deltas and AKAs.

But yes, the eating clubs are like Greek houses; old mansions where you eat and hang out and party. Some are selective where you go through “bicker” to get chosen.

And how! I’m fed up of people telling me to move here (USinA) and trying to explain to them that I’m not allowed to… takes enough blessed effort getting into the country for a holiday!

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For years, myself and my fellow geeks have fallen about laughing at Capt. Picard requesting “tea, Earl Grey, hot”… is he daft or wha’? Tea is hot. Ah, apparently in America it’s not.
Oh and what are S.A.Ts?

Tea can be hot or cold in the States. Regionally, where I grew up in the Northwest (chilly part of the country) just “tea” meant hot tea, and iced tea was asked for as “iced tea.” Here in the South, just “tea” means iced tea, and if you want hot you have to ask for “hot tea.”

Also in the South, the preferred iced tea is “sweet tea” which as far as I can tell is made with about twenty pounds of sugar per pitcher – extremely sweet, godawful stuff. But most Southern restaurants offer both sweet tea and unsweetened [iced] tea, though if you want it unsweetened you have to ask, or they’ll probably bring you sweet. You can’t get sweet tea in most places outside of the South; they just don’t serve it. So it is definitely a Southern thing.

The “SATs” are the “Scholastic Aptitude Tests,” verbal and math which is a dual test given to most high school seniors. (Or maybe late in the junior year? I can’t recall.) It tests aptitude in a variety of subjects, and many (although not all) universities and colleges consider a student’s SAT scores when deciding admission. There’s another rival test, the ACT (“American College Testing”) that does basically the same thing. (Update brought to you by Google: Both SAT and ACT used to stand for those things, but now they are just “SAT” and “ACT” – pronounced “ess-ay-tee” and “ay-cee-tee,” not “sat” or “act”.) Kids who are going to college (university) need to take the SAT or ACT (or both); kids who aren’t don’t have to.

I can assure you that it’s not just a Southern thing. If I ask for iced tea in New Jersey 9 out of 10 times it will have sugar in it. I hate sweet tea. When I make iced tea at home everyone I know dives for the sugar as soon as they taste it. I know very few people who drink it without sugar.

[nitpick] The SAT is the Scholastic Aptitude Test (no plurals)[/nitpick]

When I took it circa 1985, the SAT tested only verbal skills (reading comprehension, composition, vocabulary, etc.) and mathematics. Has it changed that much since then?

Again, when I took it, the ACT covered a wider variety of subjects than the SAT.

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[nitpick] The SAT is the Scholastic Aptitude Test (no plurals)[/nitpick]

Let the record show that the SAT is actually a single test. It is, however, is colloquially known by many as “the SATs” (as in “What did you get on your SATs?”) because it is presented as a set of two tests that are scored separately and reported as two separate scores. (“I got a 650 Math and a 700 Verbal.”) I hope no non-American readers were hopelessly confused by my informal use of the plural. :rolleyes:

Update on the SAT: Currently, it is composed of 3 sections, instead of the old-style 2. Section 3 is an writing section, with both an essay and a MC portion. There are also a series of subject area tests called the SAT IIs.

With the SAT and ACT, you don’t really “study” for them although it is wise to brush up on concepts and know the testing format. They don’t test literature or history directly for example. They are actually a thinly veiled IQ test (they correlate highly with IQ tests) so their major goal is to assess raw mental ability. Colleges use these heavily with grades to determine admission. The general idea is that grades show how hard you are willing to work while the SAT shows how smart you are.

That is strange Loach, in Monmouth and Ocean county and NYC, if you ask for Ice Tea at a restaurant, it is almost always unsweetened. Among my friends and family, few sweeten their tea. They look at me oddly for adding sweetener. I think what I liked least about visiting Cincinnati was their predilection for sickly sweet Ice Tea. I know that at many fast food places they serve only sugary Ice Tea., I usually cannot stand the stuff. I think at this point most chain restaurant around the country serve Ice Tea unsweetened.

Jim

Let’s not get mean. I know plenty of people who are living The American Dream. Surely, they haven’t been living a lie.

One thing I’ve always wondered about is the whole class thing in the UK. Do you really take class seriously? Does it bother you that Americans don’t? (Even though some have this strange fascination with English royals.)

Anyway, sorry it’s such a mess trying to become an American. I agree the system should be simplified, though I can’t agree to the open border thing. We really can’t allow all the serfs in. They’d ruin the neighborhood. Now, what was I saying about classes again?