# Non-USA Dopers: Stand and be counted. Please. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 31, 2006, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707 "2006-07-31T14:02:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/141 "2006-08-03T10:45:58Z")
To avoid such a further thread evolving, I have found a politically correct term- British Islands which includes England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. Therefore the whole shebang could be called: “The British Islands and The Republic of Ireland” ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/142 "2006-08-03T10:47:30Z")
[QUOTE=Pjen] The Isle of Man is part of GB for the Olympics, England for Rugby and I think any home nation for soccer. [/quote] _‘Cite?’_ for all of these 😉 (The one I know something about is football, where the IOM team exists but isn’t recognised by Fifa.) > [@](#): > > Although they are Crown Dependencies, they are subservient in reality to Parliament in London. Cite?! Or did you miss out a ‘not’ in this sentence? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/143 "2006-08-03T10:49:24Z")
[QUOTE=Pjen] "The British Islands… [/QUOTE] …excluding Bermuda, the Falklands, Saint Helena, Gibraltar, Montserrat…" 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/144 "2006-08-03T10:52:46Z")
[QUOTE=GorillaMan] …excluding Bermuda, the Falklands, Saint Helena, Gibraltar, Montserrat…" 😉 [/QUOTE] > **[British Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands)** > > The British Islands is a legal jurisdiction of the law of the United Kingdom which refers collectively to the following four polities: These polities constitute the principal geopolitical and territorial nucleus of British sovereignty. Distinguished from the British Overseas Territories, which are remnants of the former British Empire, the British Islands represent the core legal and constitutional realm under the direct jurisdiction of The Crown and Parliament of the United Kingdom (i.e. Unite... Legally correct/Politically Correct. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/145 "2006-08-03T11:10:23Z")
OK, legally correct, but still not unambiguous when used outside of such a context! ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/146 "2006-08-03T11:12:31Z")
[QUOTE=GorillaMan] _‘Cite?’_ for all of these 😉 (The one I know something about is football, where the IOM team exists but isn’t recognised by Fifa.) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GorillaMan] \*Cite?! Or did you miss out a ‘not’ in this sentence? [/QUOTE] IOM has no Olympic Recognition- [http://ioc.unesco.org/iocms/categories.php?category\_no=2](http://ioc.unesco.org/iocms/categories.php?category_no=2) Who else would they compete for but the UK? They have nation status for the Commonwealth Games: [http://www.thecgf.com/countries/intro.asp?loc=IOM](http://www.thecgf.com/countries/intro.asp?loc=IOM) According to: > **[Sport in the Isle of Man](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_in_the_Isle_of_Man)** > > For a small country, sport in the Isle of Man plays an important part in making the island known to the wider world. The principal international sporting event held on the island is the annual Isle of Man TT motorcycling event. However, the Isle of Man is represented internationally in a number of other sports at the Commonwealth Games and the Island Games. The Isle of Man hosted the IV Commonwealth Youth Games in September 2011. The island started the Island Games in 1985 and hosted them once... They play: Cricket in the Lancashire League Rugby in English Leagues Additionally any IOM resident would be eligible to play in any British Team in any sport as they have Full British Citizenship (save for some EC exclusions): > **[Isle of Man | Sport](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_Of_Man#Sport)** > > The Isle of Man is represented as a nation in the Commonwealth Games and the Island Games and hosted the IV Commonwealth Youth Games in 2011. Manx athletes have won three gold medals at the Commonwealth Games, including the one by cyclist Mark Cavendish in 2006 in the Scratch race. The Island Games were first held on the island in 1985 and again in 2001. FC Isle of Man was founded in 2019 and is a North West Counties League team. _There is no Manx citizenship. Manx people are classed as British citizens but those defined as Manx under Protocol Three have a special endorsement placed in their passports preventing them from freely living or working in EU states._ They probably would be eligible for Scottish, Welsh, English or Northern Irish Teams via grandparents if appropriate. Similar for the Channel Islands- was there not a fairly famous educated footballer from the CI a few years ago? [QUOTE=GorillaMan] \*Cite?! Or did you miss out a ‘not’ in this sentence? [/QUOTE] > **[Isle of Man | Sport](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_Of_Man#Sport)** > > The Isle of Man is represented as a nation in the Commonwealth Games and the Island Games and hosted the IV Commonwealth Youth Games in 2011. Manx athletes have won three gold medals at the Commonwealth Games, including the one by cyclist Mark Cavendish in 2006 in the Scratch race. The Island Games were first held on the island in 1985 and again in 2001. FC Isle of Man was founded in 2019 and is a North West Counties League team. also indicates that the IOM government was forced to back down over birching and sodomy laws. Harold Wilson’s 1970s government forced the Channel Islands to tighten up their banking laws by threats to impose changes via parliament in London. I said in reality, not in fancy legalese. I can think of no area where the British Government would allow the CI or IOM to do anything that seriously threatened the UK. How would the CI or IOM challenge such a decision. Why did they both back down over locally important issues (birching, sodomy and Finance) when confronted by London. I am uncertain whether the Monarch is monarch alone of the IOM and the CI as she is of Canada, Australia and New Zealand for instance where she has a separate person- Queen of (Insert State) when considering their business. IIRC she retains her Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland personage when considering matters regarding the CI and IOM, and therefore is under direction of her Prime Minister in these matters. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/147 "2006-08-03T11:13:59Z")
[QUOTE=GorillaMan] OK, legally correct, but still not unambiguous when used outside of such a context! [/QUOTE] But maybe a useful heading for the people in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/148 "2006-08-03T11:28:13Z")
A brief tour around Wikipedia shows that since 1930: > **[Dominion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion)** > > A dominion was any of several self-governing nations of the British Empire. With the evolution of the British Empire into the Commonwealth of Nations, the dominions became independent states, either as commonwealth republics or commonwealth realms. > "Dominion status" was first accorded to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, and the Irish Free State at the 1926 Imperial Conference through the Balfour Declaration of 1926, recognising Great Britain and the Dominions as "aut... The Monarch has been seen as the Queen/King of the dominions- Aus, NZ, Canada etc., but not ofor the IOM or CI. As Queen of (X) she acts according to her ministers instructions in those countries. The Monarch is the titular Lord of Mann and Duke of Normandy as ruler of respectively the IOM and the CI. I can find no cite that she has the constitutional prerogative to act outside of the instruction of her British Prime Minister (as was the case before the Balfour Declaration for all parts of Empire). Unless you can find a countervailing cite, I will continue to maintain that the effective political power over the Islands is the current British Prime Minister. That this is exercised with a light touch is another matter, but if push came to shove, the islands can only ask ‘How High?’ when the British Prime Minister tells them to jump. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/149 "2006-08-03T12:39:47Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Since this list plus the USA is almost the entire world, this seems to me to be a very roundabout way of saying “Few Dopers are African or Pacific islanders”. [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t like to be pointing out the obvious or anything but NZ is is a Pacific Island. We are 3 (main) islands in the pacific after all. Calm kiwi checking in. Thanks for remembering me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Carlyjay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Carlyjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carlyjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/150 "2006-08-03T14:04:14Z")
[QUOTE=Spoons] Just thought of a few more Canadians–hope they can check in, if they haven’t already: **RickJay** , of southern Ontario–Burlington or Toronto? [/QUOTE] Yep, and Smeghead, as I said earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/151 "2006-08-03T14:24:57Z")
Just to clarify something about the summaries I have posted: Unless the Dopers posted themselves, and thereby showed willingness to be counted, or had their data provided as **Antonius Block** has done (Name-Member Status-Number of Posts-Location – all of which items appear in a Poster’s heading), I have not included their names in the summaries. Whether they are still active (members even) or whether they want to be counted is something I’m leaving for others to own. Since **Antonius Block’s** entries are in the same format as the summary file’s I can copy/paste directly and that’s simply done. If you’ve mentioned others’ names and they haven’t been included in the summaries, and you want them to be, please reenter their data in the **Antonius Block** format and I’ll copy/paste them in. Due to the significant number of multiple posts in this thread: Who Posted? Total Posts: 150 User Name Posts Zeldar 11 Pjen 9 Antonius Block 5 Sunspace 4 GorillaMan 4 fetus 3 Carlyjay 3 PastAllReason 3 Kyla 2 Alessan 2 Ale 2 TheLoadedDog 2 yojimbo 2 Pushkin 2 Angua 2 Nava 2 Colibri 2 Mellivora capensis 2 Giles 2 Ice Wolf 2 Cunctator 2 Priceguy 2 featherlou 2 Banquet Bear 2 DiggitCamara 2 Spoons 2 and to the fact that some posts are by USA Dopers, and in spite of the fact that some names provided by **Antonius Block** have yet to appear in actual posts, the post-count and the total of names in the summaries don’t match up. Perhaps the summary idea is a bit superfluous. Perhaps you prefer to do your own accounting. In any case, due to the time it takes to deal with the simplistic Notepad file I’ve been maintaining, I have chosen not to do a lot of lookups on names provided by others. I hope that’s understandable. I also hope this clarifies why some things may not be as you might wish. ---
**Author:** ![Myglaren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Myglaren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myglaren)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/152 "2006-08-03T17:10:10Z")
Another latecomer brit here, The Nadsters pointed the way and all appear to have been counted as far as I can see. Located in [Washington, Tyne & Wear, England](http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Washington,+Tyne+and+Wear,+NE38,+UK&ie=UTF8&ll=54.904103,-1.53079&spn=0.088432,0.346069&t=h&om=1). More or less central between Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Sunderland and Durham. ---
**Author:** ![Zetetic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/74df32/32.png) [@Zetetic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zetetic)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/153 "2006-08-03T20:16:35Z")
I’m from Glasgow originally, but been in IOM for about two years now. > [@Pjen](#): > > Unless you can find a countervailing cite, I will continue to maintain that the effective political power over the Islands is the current British Prime Minister. That this is exercised with a light touch is another matter, but if push came to shove, the islands can only ask ‘How High?’ when the British Prime Minister tells them to jump. Yup, gotta agree. From [here](http://www.gov.im/cso/externalrelations/uk.xml): > [@](#): > > The Isle of Man is an internally self-governing dependency of the British Crown and its people are British citizens. The Crown has ultimate responsibility for the good government of the Island **and acts on the advice of Ministers of the UK Government, in their capacity as Privy Councillors** The Tynwald (Manx Government) has legislative authority over domestic matters (including taxation! Yay!) but the UK Government deals with international relations and defence of the Island. Also, the Tynwald is the oldest continuous parliament in the world and (i think) the only tri-cameral one. Regards, mtk\_ ---
**Author:** ![Cerowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@Cerowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerowyn)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/154 "2006-08-03T21:04:09Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] And how could we forget **Cerowyn** , heart of the Toronto dopefests? Though he splits his time between Toronto and Tokyo, IIRC. [/QUOTE] Thanks for remembering me, **Sunspace**. 🙂 I really should update my location, as I only spend a few months a year in Tokyo, now. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/155 "2006-08-03T21:18:17Z")
[QUOTE=Cerowyn] Thanks for remembering me, **Sunspace**. 🙂 I really should update my location, as I only spend a few months a year in Tokyo, now. [/QUOTE] Only a few months a year…! :: sigh :: I’m _still_ envious. 🙂 So… when’re we gonna have another TronnaDope? I did one and **Kyth** did one and now it’s someone else’s turn. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/156 "2006-08-03T21:36:08Z")
I’m 99% sure that Smeghead is not Canadian. ---
**Author:** ![rekkah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee59a6/32.png) [@rekkah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rekkah)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/157 "2006-08-03T22:31:35Z")
I’m a Brit living mainly in Brighton (but also partly in Guildford and spending a lot of time in London and Stevenage and a significant proportion of my time on trains). ---
**Author:** ![Future\_Londonite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9dc877/32.png) [@Future\_Londonite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Future_Londonite)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/158 "2006-08-03T22:36:36Z")
[QUOTE=rekkah] I’m a Brit living mainly in Brighton (but also partly in Guildford and spending a lot of time in London and Stevenage and a significant proportion of my time on trains). [/QUOTE] Woohoo - I lived in Guildford for a year way back in '94. Absolutely loved it (given that I spent the prior 6 months in Chelmsford, Essex) ---
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/159 "2006-08-04T01:12:32Z")
[QUOTE=Zeldar] …please reenter their data in the **Antonius Block** format and I’ll copy/paste them in. [/QUOTE] [tiny nitpick] I only used that format because I knew it would help you cut ‘n’ paste into your own database from post #92. It’s really “ **Zeldar** format”: I personally would use something like a semi-colon as a delimiter between fields to help with any later processing. [/tiny nitpick] I wrote a quick-and-dirty program to automate the mining of data from the SDMB user profile pages and spit them out in “ **Zeldar** format”. If you like, **Zeldar** , I’ll be happy to run some of the not-yet-added names through the “Zeldarizer”. I won’t do too many at a time, since each one currently involves a SDMB thread search to get the profile page corresponding to the username, and it’s this profile page that’s “Zeldarized”. I can’t imagine the SDMB mods being too thrilled about _automated_ searches tiring out the hamsters! I don’t think there’d be a problem with the occasional search, however – say once an hour. [The only way that I can see gettting the user profile page **without** doing a thread search is by going brute-force through the “user numbers” starting with [**Lynn Bodoni** at #2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) and going through to the most recent member, #60452 [**mollusk**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php)[sup]\*[/sup] . That would keep the hamsters _really_ busy, and even if one only counts those with “Member” or “Charter Member” status, it’s going to take a human a lot of time to sort out the non-USA locations.] I do have a few more non-USA Dopers to add to the list (in **Zeldar** format of course!): _add to Canada:_ Sam Stone Charter Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 15647 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Ms Macphisto Charter Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 954 Location: Victoria, BC _add to Europe:_ flodnak Charter Member Join Date: Aug 1999 Posts: 2715 Location: outside Oslo, Norway _add to Asia:_ China Guy Charter Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 4248 Location: Shanghai, China [[sup]\*[/sup]There’s a discussion of member numbers [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=163763). I noticed that there is no “Number One” and that [Ed Zotti](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) is “Number Six”, and was all set to comment on similarities to [The Prisoner](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/) (and finally unmask Ed as Cecil!) but I figured that someone **must** have noticed this! Naturally, this being the Dope, it’s all been done before…] ---
**Author:** ![jastu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/43a26b/32.png) [@jastu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jastu)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-usa-dopers-stand-and-be-counted-please/366707/160 "2006-08-04T05:04:14Z")
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