# Non-Violent vs. Violent firearms crimes **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767 "2011-09-19T00:39:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767/1 "2011-09-19T00:39:39Z")
I’ve been trying to track down a statistic for purposes of gun-control debates that I can’t seem to find: what percent of crimes commited with guns end with someone actually getting shot? (I’m asking specific to the US, although international figures would be interesting as well.) Endemic as gun-violence is to our country, it seems to me from my admittedly limited perspective as a newspaper reader that the vast majority of gun-crimes are stick-ups and muggings that don’t end in injury. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767/2 "2011-09-19T01:19:44Z")
Well this report says that of guns captured off those involved in a violent crime, only 28.6% were used in the commission of a homicide. [http://ag.ca.gov/publications/Firearms\_Report\_10.pdf](http://ag.ca.gov/publications/Firearms_Report_10.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767/3 "2011-09-19T16:45:01Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > what percent of crimes commited with guns end with someone actually getting shot? So are we not including other gun-related violence such pistol-whipping, bayonet stabbing, or using a rifle as a club? ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767/4 "2011-09-20T23:25:14Z")
There’s also discharging a firearm inside the city limits, hunting violations that don’t involve animals getting shot, carrying a gun without a permit, the sorts of gun sales that aren’t legal, theft of guns, and in some places, brandishing a gun. ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767/5 "2011-09-21T01:26:54Z")
[hijack thread] Doncha just LOVE that phrase, “brandishing a gun.” It sounds like it should involve music, an announcer, and possibly fireworks and confetti! While I’m hijacking, can anyone tell me what “pistol whip” means? Do you hold the gun by the handle and whap Hell outta somebody with the end of the barrel, or do you hold the barrel and bop somebody over the head with the handle? [/hijack thread] ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Parsimony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Parsimony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Parsimony)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/non-violent-vs-violent-firearms-crimes/596767/6 "2011-09-21T02:59:02Z")
> [@VOW](#): > > [hijack thread] > > Doncha just LOVE that phrase, “brandishing a gun.” It sounds like it should involve music, an announcer, and possibly fireworks and confetti! > > While I’m hijacking, can anyone tell me what “pistol whip” means? Do you hold the gun by the handle and whap Hell outta somebody with the end of the barrel, or do you hold the barrel and bop somebody over the head with the handle? > > [/hijack thread] > ~VOW Slaping someone with the barrel of a gun while holding the pistol grip is called “buffaloed” and hitting them with the grip is called pistol whipping.