# "None of us chose to be white. Not even Ed Sheeran." **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944 "2019-09-28T11:20:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/101 "2019-09-28T23:33:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bullshit. Preferring diversity is a “widespread attitude” among white liberals, and there’s nothing wrong with that. > > Carry on assisting Bill Maher and Tucker Carlson in spreading false generalities about liberals if you want, but I’m not going to assist you in helping the Republican party. I’m going to point out how dumb it is, and how much those who spread this kind of bullshit are helping Trump and the Republicans. Stop helping Trump and the Republicans. Is this you? Good. Wait a second. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/102 "2019-09-28T23:33:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So a teen is worth criticizing yet the prime minister of a country that is in the top 157 of influence and power in the world isn’t? {…} I think they both deserve criticism . . . how about you? CMC fnord! “the top 157 of influence and power”!!! ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/103 "2019-09-28T23:35:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes. My criticism of Maher has nothing to do with what type of show he does. > > I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. I’ll invite you to select very specific quotes of mine that you disagree with, since I don’t know what this is referring to. So you get confused by IDing the show by genre? BS. See above post #101. I then said “You are intolerant of needling liberals on race for one very specific thing. You are posting that it’s dangerous to democracy.” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/104 "2019-09-28T23:37:33Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Bravo. \*\*I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a blatant strawman. I mean, you flat out accuse him of really meaning something else. You’re admitting you’re arguing with something he didn’t say. \*\* > > Someday I hope I’ll be “enlightened” enough to understand the purpose of these posts. How so? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/105 "2019-09-29T00:39:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > {…} self-righteous {…} I would be really curious to have you explain my position and tell me how it’s ‘self-righteous’ . . . but it’s _you_, so who gives a fuck. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/106 "2019-09-29T01:31:52Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I would be really curious to have you explain my position and tell me how it’s ‘self-righteous’ . . . but it’s _you_, so who gives a fuck. > > CMC fnord! we don’t know your position, but we know damn well it’s self-righteous simply because you aren’t doing anything here but dropping lazy one line snide swipes at others. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/107 "2019-09-29T01:47:47Z")
We Shall Overcome! We Shall Overcome! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/108 "2019-09-29T01:53:22Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > we don’t know your position, but we know damn well it’s self-righteous simply because you aren’t doing anything here but dropping lazy one line snide swipes at others. I’m not certain but, I don’t think that’s what ‘self-righteous’ means. I won’t bother with the contradictory start of that. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/109 "2019-09-29T02:41:08Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > So you get confused by IDing the show by genre? BS. > > See above post #101. I then said “You are intolerant of needling liberals on race for one very specific thing. You are posting that it’s dangerous to democracy.” Okay, whatever. This appears to be a particularly uninteresting disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/110 "2019-09-29T02:42:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Losing a job is a nonexistent consequence? Depends on the circumstances. But in most of these cases, the consequences seem pretty minimal to me. Maybe there are a few exceptions… and at least some of those exceptions are due to pretty egregiously offensive words and actions. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/111 "2019-09-29T04:27:46Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > uh, you just did. couple of posts up. > > Are you fucking serious? “So what?” guy raises a million+ for a charity, and that’s all canceled out because of something he said when he was 16. > > you’re fucking unhinged. Cancelled out? Your outrage is farcical - Carson King is still beloved by the entire state of Iowa, BECAUSE he owned his shit when it came out - holding a press conference before the article (which was glowing with praise except for two short paragraphs) was published. His life ruined? He lost out on a grand’s worth of shitty beer. You also missed the part where people combed through the reporter’s Twitter - he lost his job. But please, tell us all how King is SO put upon and demonized, you ridiculous taint. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/112 "2019-09-29T04:29:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Losing a job is a nonexistent consequence? Carson King didn’t lose his job. If you bothered to read instead of winding up the stupid, you’d know that. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/113 "2019-09-29T04:34:11Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Carson King didn’t lose his job. If you bothered to read instead of winding up the stupid, you’d know that. I was referring to the reporter that did lose his job. Sorry for being unclear. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/114 "2019-09-29T05:16:15Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > You’re being dishonest. You deliberately didn’t comment on the third link Slacker presented. In that story, a guy who raised a million dollars for charity lost a contract with Busch because a reporter dug up some racist tweets he made eight years ago, when he was sixteen. 😕 I didn’t post any such link. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > It’s a bit disingenuous to lump Maher in with Carlson on this. Seems to me, these two are polar opposites on virtually all political and social issues. They may both have a similar perspective on this, but it seems to me they arrive at it from entirely different directions and with entirely different agendas. That’s what the holier-than-thou woke crowd does though. They compress everyone not as pure as they are into the same category. Look for instance at how Chingon has characterized me in this thread. > [@drad\_dog](#): > > Can we be real? Your first sentence is in perfect agreement with my statement. Did you intend to say “NO!..(yes)”? > > You are soft-selling your dislike of him in this post. But you are calling him a friend and fellow of racists like Carlson and posters here have to answer the real things you are saying. And you are pretty intolerant of the kind of needling that has been the staple of comedy for, I don’t know, centuries? If that’s for partisan reasons there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in this. I don’t think that’s good for liberalism or the country. This is Andy’s M.O. I have seen it over and over and over. He goes all into the rhetorical bombthrowing but when called on anything where he may have gotten out over his skis, he retrenches and acts like he’s just casually chatting and not really willing to stand behind anything. Trying to debate with him is basically dancing in quicksand. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/115 "2019-09-29T08:04:41Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I didn’t post any such link Sorry, got you mixed up with jz78817 ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/116 "2019-09-29T08:37:42Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Care to enjoy a wee bit of schadenfreude? > > [Reporter who outed racist tweets by viral fundraiser leaves Des Moines Register after his own offensive posts surface.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/09/27/reporter-who-outed-racist-tweets-by-viral-fundraiser-leaves-des-moines-register-after-his-own-offensive-posts-surface/) I don’t remember who said it, but the people who do that are the equivalent of the Family Values pastor who is caught pants down in a truck stop stall, not doing either 1 or 2 if you know what I mean. That is to say, I believe it’s a defense mechanism for a guilty conscience, trying to feel better about oneself by pointing the finger loudly and often at evil people (or people one can pretend are evil) and hopping no one will take notice at what goes on behind that finger. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/117 "2019-09-29T10:20:39Z")
I live on the other side of the world, am out of touch, and probably have been victimized by right-wing propaganda. The tiniest little stories — like Arquette’s tweet — get blown out of proportion and show up when I’m clicking around the 'Net. I’m afraid that I’ve reacted against an extreme “political correctness” _which barely even exists_. I apologize if I’ve abetted the right-wing liars like Tucker Carlson. However: > [@SlackerInc](#): > > > [@QuickSilver](#): > > > > It’s a bit disingenuous to lump Maher in with Carlson on this. Seems to me, these two are polar opposites on virtually all political and social issues. They may both have a similar perspective on this, but it seems to me they arrive at it from entirely different directions and with entirely different agendas. > > That’s what the holier-than-thou woke crowd does though. They compress everyone not as pure as they are into the same category… On this Board, I myself have been lumped with Trumpists for saying things that might seem even slightly “unwoke.” Nobody who knows me could ever imagine I share anything with right-wingers, so I find it exasperating when I try to broaden debate a little, and get shut down for not adhering to today’s left-wing dogma. But don’t worry about me — _Worry about the U.S.A.!_ The GOP Machine of Hatred, Greed and Evil is favored to retain the Senate, and has a 50-50 chance of keeping the White House. I strongly worry that some middle-aged swing voters will be turned off by some modern progressive rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/118 "2019-09-29T10:45:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This is Andy’s M.O. I have seen it over and over and over. He goes all into the rhetorical bombthrowing but when called on anything where he may have gotten out over his skis, he retrenches and acts like he’s just casually chatting and not really willing to stand behind anything. Trying to debate with him is basically dancing in quicksand. Alright! Cite-free gibberish! I suspect you don’t like actual debates with me because I don’t go easy on you, and routinely being up all the odious things you’ve said. But that I engage you at all should give you some hope - it means I still, for some reason, think you might be redeemable. If I didn’t, I’d treat you like HD and barely ever respond. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/119 "2019-09-29T11:50:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I suspect you don’t like actual debates with me because I don’t go easy on you :rolleyes: Oh riiiight, everyone else here goes so easy on me and you are the only one not lobbing softballs in my direction? Is this really what you have convinced yourself? Jesus. Take someone like Dibble. He comes at me a lot harder than you do, frankly, but I don’t find him as frustrating because he actually stands behind what he says. He owns it. He doesn’t try to have it both ways (or every which way) like you do. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944/120 "2019-09-29T12:19:58Z")
Oh, fuck off with trying to play us off against each other, you slimy little cockgoblin. Andy regularly kicks your racist ass five ways to Sunday, don’t pretend like he doesn’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/none-of-us-chose-to-be-white-not-even-ed-sheeran/840944.md?page=7)