Nonreligious prolifers - what are your arguments?

Priceguy, you asked a specific question in the OP. When people answer you, and you respond like this, you’re extending the terms of the debate beyond what we thought it would be. Perhaps you should start another thread.

Speaking for myself, my moral objections to abortion stem from the fact that I can’t see how a fetus can be considered anything other than a human being. And I want to live in a society in which it is, broadly speaking, considered morally wrong to kill a human being. Never mind the “rational reason” why, it’s just what I want.

Morally:
I think we probably all agree that it’s just wrong to kill a certain type of being–generally described as a competent, innocent being. The question is why, and the answer comes from the riders put on the phrase ‘being.’ ‘Innocent’ means that the being in question is relatively guiltless; we reserve the right to use violence in self-defense, for instance, or often in retribution–but only against someone who started the violence himself. ‘Competent’ means the adult has some ability to make decisions; some people say it’s okay to kill someone who’s totally brain-dead (I’m one of them) or even partially braindead or retarded, but we’re all going to agree that a fully functional adult who can make decisions for himself is off-limits. This also explains why human beings are traditionally accorded a special place in morality: they’re distinct from other animals in the ability to be competent decision-makers. Thus, even if this thread explodes and causes havoc, no matter how mad we get we still can’t kill Priceguy for getting us into this mess; he’s not started violence, and he has the ability to make decisions. Even if it turns out Priceguy’s an alien from another planet (not entirely unlikely, considering the fact that his question suggests some willingness to approach this issue rationally and uncombatively), his demonstration of the ability to make decisions and his lack of moral guilt (assuming he didn’t actually intend to set off the brawl) still puts him off-limits.

The second idea–making decisions–is curious. The purpose of the first limit is obvious; the purpose of the second is less so. The reasoning, I believe, is that people should be allowed to make decisions for themselves. In brief, people disagree on things. In theory, reason should reveal which person is right, except both believe that reason proves them right. For one person to decide unilaterally that he is right and impose his belief on another is in effect, then, a claim to special knowledge of revealed truth–whether an explicit religious claim is made or not. It’s claiming that my belief is somehow superior to yours, and thus I can force mine on you. We work from the assumption that this kind of forcing is bad, and thus people capable of thinking forming opinions should not have opinions forced on them. The criterion for the right to be free from force, then, is rationality.

But how does this cover senile/retarded people? Well, for the completely brain-dead, I’d say it doesn’t (completely brain-dead meaning exactly that–no brain activity at all. You can keep the heart beating almost indefinitely–for that matter, I bet you could take a week-dead corpse and make the heart beat again hooked up to the right machine. If the brain is totally gone–in a total lobotomy, for instance–there’s no one there. The person is dead already). But for the others, I’d say there’s still some sort of mental functioning. Senile/retarded people may not be as competent or in control as you or I, but they’re still capable of some thought processes and some level of thought. Now, some will object that animals have ‘some level of thought’; but this isn’t on the same level (at least, if the people I’ve talked to are right. I don’t interact with animals much myself, but from my mother’s stories, cows are just…well…stupid). Animals have instinctual reactions to stimuli; people have language and the ability to learn. Even if someone is so crippled he has the mental age of a three-year-old, he’s still set ahead of the cow and chicken by language, curiosity, ability to associate in the abstract…

And this brings me to the next group–children. Children are specifically excluded from the original premise group (competent, innocent adults) by the word competent. But children, once again, display traits unknown to most animals. Even babies have a limited ability to associate and learn; they show curiosity and seek to learn about their environment. Of course, you can say the same of some monkeys and dolphins; but that would rather make me uneasy eating dolphin meat than comfortably killing infants. It’s entirely possible that other animals have at least enough limited rational capacity that they should be guaranteed the life free-from-force; I can’t prove that dolphins do, but the fact that I can’t prove they don’t means I’d be inclined not to assault them.

So if we say infants have the right to life, where do we draw the line between unkillable infants and rightless cell clusters? Presumably somewhere between (inclusive between) conception and birth. Now, I don’t see a real argument that the eight-cell clump has the ability to think. On the other hand, I don’t see a substantive difference between the baby two days after birth and the baby two days before birth. So I’d put the line somewhere between those two. In fact, I think the line would have to be sometime after the baby’s brain begins firing (someone cited a figure of six weeks, I think?), because before then it’s obviously not engaging in thought. On the other hand, the line has to come before the baby is viable (I think) because even premature babies display the curiosity/intellectual abilities of newborns (I think? If someone can prove me wrong, tell me?). Some people are going to say that abortion is wrong as soon as the brain starts firing. But animals (that we think it’s okay to kill) have brains with firing neurons; so it’s probably not rationality-enabled right then. But I’d tend to be conservative (if I put two bags in front of you, said one of them contained a living person, and told you I’d pay you a thousand dollars to destroy one bag without knowing whether it contained the person, would you do it? Do you want to risk killing a living, righted being?), so I’d put the line somewhere closer to brain-start than viability. Since we already define stuff by the trimesters, let’s put the line at the first-trimester mark (give or take a few weeks; if anyone has better data on fetal development, feel free to pitch in).

But what of the second condition–innocence? Perhaps the fetus is invading the mother’s body, or otherwise forcing itself on her (this occurred to me as an interesting idea as I wrote this post)? I would respond that the woman (assuming she wasn’t raped) chose the action that created the fetus; thus, she has chosen the risk of its creation. On the other hand, this would be an interesting argument for allowing abortions for rape victims.

But politics is a whole different animal. The same argument I used to say people should be free from coercion comes around to bite me when I want to enforce my will through government: we disagree, so the government shouldn’t force my ideas on you. I thus have a strong bias against government action under any circumstances. On the other hand, it seems the explicit purpose of government is to protect innocents from use of force against them; we don’t let the thief claim that his conception of morality is different, so you can’t force yours on him. We allow all to practice their own ethical codes in peace, as long as they allow others the same right. Thus, the government should protect the innocent (in this case, the fetus) from harm. But the argument about conservatively placing the line cuts the other way now: now the user of force is the one trying to stop an abortion. So, taking advantage of the trimester system again, we place the legal line at the second trimester (at which point the fetus is pretty much viable, has a well-developed if not exercised brain).

Some say the woman has a countervailing right to privacy, to own her body. While I agree she has rights over her own body, that doesn’t mean she has rights over other beings within her body (the fact that the fetus has separate rights was the purpose of the bulk of this post. If you disagree now, we basically just disagree). I can’t kill an innocent person just because he’s in my house: if we were to decide Priceguy’s guilt for starting this thread, I can’t invite him to my house, wait for him to come in, then kill him. Similarly, once the woman’s chosen the fetus’s existence (or at least the risk), she can’t kill it just because it’s in her body.

I well understand the problem of implementing an abortion ban, though limiting the ban to the third trimester should limit these: anyone who wants an abortion should be able to manage within six months. I see the practical difficulties; but there are practical difficulties in trying to prevent murder, too. We’ll never stop rape or murder completely, but we can try to make them so unsafe that they happen rarely. If abortion is the same crime, should we not do the same?

I’m really trying to follow your reasoning here, but I’m just not. How can life, versus destroying life not have moral relevance? Our idea of natural, well mine, not yours; comes from our process of procreation, propagation of the species, whatever you want to call it. Habit or convention hardly fit with what has always been a natural and necessary process. I think there is a perceived universal mandate against humans killing other humans. Do you not think there is a such thing as morals or a standard that humans should adhere to? Naturalistic fatalism has nothing to do with this. If I’m understanding you right, that would be more of an adherence to something because it has always been and not for other reasons. Is killing without provocation or regard for another’s life wrong? If not, explain.

I’m not talking about rights that are inappropriate to to a certain age. You don’t allow kids to vote, but you allow them to live. You are irrevocably DENYING the right to live. You are somehow more concerned with granting rights too soon? It isn’t as much a predicted future as it is almost a certain future, statistically. Unless you decide to end it.

All life is special. My favorite species is human though.:wink:

No. We should not chemically alter a different species at all. I realize you’re trying to make me see that potential doesn’t deserve rights. I get that. What I can’t see is why human life at whatever stage isn’t still considered human life and worthy of our protection. A certain age, whether it’s 6 months in utero or whatever you want to pick is too arbitrary of a standard to use on human life. What if tomorrow, it is possible to remove and bring a zygote to term? This new technology has made viability a moot issue. Doesn’t inconvenience the biological mother at all. Would this change things or should the mother still have the right to end her baby’s life? An egg and a sperm have no long term viability unless they are united. No potential there, as separate entities. This is where it is reasonable to prevent a life from starting, if it is inconvenient or horrifying. A fertilized zygote is complete. Granted, it needs nourishment and care, but all children do. Can you try to explain to me why it is different in your opinion to kill a fetus as opposed to a newborn? How does not killing a newborn fit with your explanations on naturalistic fatalism, morals, universal mandates, etc. Why does a few months change all the rules?

I’m not sure how this could not be a part of the argument, since that’s what has given woman the excuse to end life, but okay, I’ll skip it.

First, again, could you tell me why it is right to kill this particular being.? I’m sorry I can’t be all technical and analytical about this. The very first reason not to kill this being is, there is no justifiable reason to take a baby’s life. No reason that is more important than this baby’s life. If you could stand back and watch, you would see an amazing driving force, this process of developing and maturing. From the first day, it was never anything but a human life. I know life has become an overabundant quantity and so has lost some of it’s value. It shouldn’t have, but realistically it has. If tomorrow, most of our population was gone, the value would be somehow re-instated. To me, that is like saying because I have 6 children(I don’t), that they are somehow not as valuable because there are more than enough. I fully admit this is an emotional issue for me, but not just emotional. Rationally I can’t see why we humans wouldn’t protect and value each other, even though I know we don’t. Don’t worry I’m not going to start singing “We Are The World” or anything, but I think when we turn life into just a lump of tissue, we become a little less human. A little less evolved.

I disagree. If the thread turns into something other than you expected and this makes you uncomfortable, you’re free to leave, but we’re still firmly within its boundaries. If abortion is only wrong because killing is wrong, then it is relevant whether and why killing is wrong.

Apos said it better than I: “once we have a clear picture of why killing something could be wrong, only then can we really come to understand whether that applies to specific somethings and not others”.

You’re apparently much more rational than you think. This is precisely the kind of answer I was looking for. I believe you want that because you realise that such a society would be a more pleasant one to live in than one in which killing humans is considered morally right or neutral. That is perfectly rational reasoning.

The reason I’m pro-choice is that I don’t believe that allowing (or considering morally right/neutral) abortion will cause a change in morals regarding killing born humans.

I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the founders of NARAL and an outspoken pro-choicer. He converted to the pro-life side based on scientific evidence, rather than religous conviction. In fact, he was an atheist at the time of his conversion.

“Natural” is just a word for whatever happens to happen. But lots of natural things, we rightly oppose. So it is not clear that just because something is “natural” that it is right or that there is something wrong in preventing a “natural” course from occuring as we might expect it to. Many natural things are morally neutral, and its neither wrong nor right to frustrate their progression.

Yes, but this mandate wasn’t developed in a vacuum, and it isn’t just a inexplicable slogan or order for which further explanation or justification is unecessary. It was developed for specific reasons, many threads of which came directly out of experience with what “human” used to mean: i.e. those weird lookin bipeds that scream out in pain when I bash their head with a rock. In other words, those moral codes were developed before anyone knew there was any such thing as a zygote, or thought to call it human. So it’s quite relevant to ask whether those moral reasons also extend to embryos/zygotes, given that our definition of “human” has changed from when we first formulated our ideas of why killing “humans” was wrong.

Let’s say that you decided that it was wrong to stick a needle into a balloons because they made a loud POP that hurt peoples ears. And let’s say that you had never seen a deflated balloon: when someone said “balloon” you thought only of the inflated kind. Then one day someone points out that deflated balloons exist, and says that it is wrong to stick needles in them too. Do you see the problem with this?

Zygotes are similar to babies in many ways. They are also different in many ways. We can lump them together as “genetically human” (a term which encompasses some RADICALLY different sorts of beings: a zygote is much more different from a baby than a baby human is different from a baby chimp) and we can differentiate them by calling them a zygote vs. baby. All of this is a matter or arbitrary definition: and we should never think that we can prove anything simly by fooling around with definitions.

The moral question is: what sorts of beings is it wrong to kill?

Another imaginary example: what if we once called ourselves “monkeys” and then decided over the course of human experience that killing monkeys was wrong. The next day, along comes a scientist with DNA evidence that chimps are actually monkeys too. Does that mean that it’s now suddenly wrong to eat monkey brain soup? Or does it really mean that the term “monkey” has expanded to include beings that the original formulators of the slogan never intended to cover?

I think you missed the point of my example, which was to illustrate a principle that we don’t necessarily give something a right NOW just because what it will one day be such that it needs that right. We don’t give children the right to drive because they are not capable of being good drivers. And we may not regard zygotes as being of moral worth because of some capacity they lack (for instance, the same capacities that we say animals lack, thus making it okay to kill them) that makes them different from other humans.

When a third of fertilized eggs fail to implant, and even more miscarry, it’s not really “almost certain” at all.

But again, I don’t see why you think the expected future of something is relevant to how we should treat it now. I might expect that John will commit a crime when he grows up. That doesn’t mean I can throw him in jail today, no matter how likely it might be.

It’s possible right now, as far as I know. It would certainly be hard to find a zygote in a uterus before it irreprebably implanted, but it wouldn’t be impossible, and we do this sort of thing in test tubes all the time (killing thousands of fertilized eggs in the process)

I don’t see why it would change anything, but then I don’t consider viability to be an important issue. To me, it would still be a matter of indifference.

Seeing them as separate entities is a conceptual line, and not the only one we can draw. The fertilized egg and the uterine wall are also separate entities, and without the uterine wall, the fert egg has no long term viability. But many still call drugs that prevent implantation “abortion” and indeed they DO make it near inevitable that the fertilized egg will die.

That’s circular reasoning. What we are trying to discuss is why it’s wrong to kill various beings: zygotes, embryos, fetuses at two weeks, at two months, etc. You can’t start justifying the position that it’s wrong to kill them by starting out with exactly what you are arguing for. The very first reason for view X is view X.

Is there any reason one SHOULD have to justify killing a zygote, as opposed to killing a few bacteria, or ones own skin cells? If so, what is that reason?

Well you can brush aside my definition. But you can’t get much more natural than what makes man continue to be. I can’t see anything about this topic that could possibly be morally neutral. I find that somewhat cold.

I can’t agree that the definition of human has changed. Only that we are now able to define the stages of human-ness.

I can agree to a need for a re-definition of balloon mandate, but can’t keep a straight face when I type this.

I think you are fooling around with definitions, but that is all part of the gymnastics program. Never has a baby not been a zygote. Everything the zygote was, the baby is. Every single ingredient of the baby was in the zygote. I am not getting different, except for possibly the difference between a baby and a man. Different stages, not different being. How arbitrary can that be.

Anything with all of the components necessary to become a viable human, that have already commenced to become one.

If DNA evidence showed me I was eating my step-brother or step-cousin, I would put the spoon down. If I was pro-choice on monkey killing, I would go through all sorts of rationalization to explain that yes it was a monkey, but not really that kind of a monkey. My reasoning would be about as circular as the pro-choice argument is now.

I understood it. It seems circular. Hey, they’re human zygotes, but they’re not really human.

Okay, that’s why I used almost. I thought we were talking about abortion, which means by necessity the zygote is implanted. So “almost” leaves room for miscarriage. If you’d like I can change it to mostly, good chance, kinda, sorta maybe. Whatever pleases you. It’s not really the issue.

But you do expect him to grow up. You’re analogy makes it sound like it is unreasonable to exspect watermelon seeds to grow watermelon. They need lots of water before they sprout, but a rational person wouldn’t water them until they proved they were watermelon. The expected future of something would still be expected to be similar to what history has shown us it usually is. Whether it’s watermelon seeds or zygotes. Their “typical” outcome is certain.

A test tube won’t sustain a pregnancy to term, so I do have to draw the line at what is practical and moral.

Ouch. So an unwanted newborn would fall into logical grounds for termination too?

I can and do draw that “conceptual” line. Most sperm and eggs never become anything else. They exist only to increase the odds of fertility. I am not so unrealistic that I can’t differentiate between viable new life safely growing, being nurtured by the mother’s body and all those that don’t make it. I don’t feel that drugs that prevent implantation are morally right either, but can concede that in comparison to later alternatives, they are at least a valid compromise. That’s somewhat hypocritical on my part, I realize that.

“This step by step analysis is brought to you by APOS.” We’ll call it “BabySteps.” Sorry. You do get an “A” for controlling the debate. I don’t expect to change my mind here, but I usually learn something, in spite of myself.

Nice wording on this question, btw. Why you should have to justify it feels different than why it’s wrong. You do have my respect. Well, it’s not, say bacteria. “Z” contains everything necessary to produce a human and is using all it’s resources to get a good start, so one should try explaining to little Z why this just isn’t going to happen. Make it good, cause although he doesn’t have ears yet, he’s got a heart. Z is human. You’re killing part of yourself, which I have to point out now before it comes up is different than say, liposuction. So you have to justify to yourself why your needs take precidence over little Z’s. I’m trying to stay strictly in the zygote range here. For many there is an emotional cost, so you have to ask yourself if Z’s death will ever cause you to feel regret or loss? Ah, dad; does papa Z have any right to have little Z. Can you destroy a part of someone else without their support. How do you justify that to the point that one person doesn’t “win” and one “lose”. You are destroying a neice, nephew, grandchild and I know it’s a stretch to weigh you other immediate family members against your wishes, but it should still be considered. You should justify it to everyone you’re tempted to hide it from, just to learn whether you really think it’s a blamesless decision. Justify and test how you would feel if this turned out to be your only chance for a child. A lot of the justification is just for yourself, but in our society, abortion is not morally neutral, at least not yet.

Okay, it occurred to me after the post that I didn’t know when a zygote becomes an embryo. These questions were answered with an embryo in mind. I would think that there would not be much chance to consider or terminate a zygote, unless you’re talking about the morning after pill or having an IUD and in either case, you would not actually know for sure? I think I need your definition of a zygote. I either missed it or we haven’t defined it.

Fine, but why?

I honestly don’t see the need for this thread. If you want to know the non-religious arguments that pro life dopers on the boards have against abortion…read any of a bazillion threads in GD that contain those exact aruments.

JThunder, Stratocaster/Bob Cos, myself and other pro life folks have primarily based our arguments on “non-religious” reasons. As a matter of fact, I have a had time thinking of ANY prolific pro life poster on these boards who has appealed to religion for his/her arguments. The suggestion that pro life arguments (at least on these boards) has been mostly rooted in religion…is a bit of a strawman.

If all you want to know if our reasonings…do a GD search on abortion.

I’ve spent plenty of posts arguing from a biological/genetics position for example.

I take the somewhat-weaseling position that government officials who are not medical personnel should not be making medical decisions for those who are not under their care. It seems as straightforward to me as it seems ignorant to others, from what I can tell.

Basically I am holding out for the day when it is possible to “transplant” a fetus. Until then, my most useful answer is that I do not know. I have my personal convictions, but there are so many different (and very plausible) situations and it is such an intensely personal issue that to debate about it in any but a purely hypothetical light can raise ire as quickly as any other topic. And to debate about it in a purely hypothetical light strips it of what I consider to be one of the most important facets of it: that it is such an intensely personal issue. So with that Catch-22 in place … I don’t know. As I said, I’m waiting for fetal transplantation to be viable.

I have lots of answers that are emotional and not useful for this debate. I’m not sure I can come up with anything that you would consider rational. Here goes, anyway.

If I don’t do anything, if I don’t speak and act for the weakest in our society who don’t yet have a voice, I am giving tacit approval to this. If I don’t try to protect those who can’t yet protect themselves, I lack human compassion. If I was considering doing this myself and I did not feel the deepest of primal rage at any threat to my own family, then I am a monster. If I do nothing, I lose a vital aspect of my own human-ness. If we don’t respect the gift of continuing life, we don’t deserve for life to continue. Of course, this all sounds better accompanied by some pretty song. I do not have one scientific, factual type reason to be against abortion, at least in the early stages. I don’t believe an early abortion causes the baby any physical sensation resembling pain. The only harm I can see is to the people who allow it to happen and to others who care that it happens.

If it does not make a good choice cuts than why kill it?

What definition? All I said is that just because something is a common progression does not in ITSELF mean that stopping it is wrong. Naturalness is not a synonym for “right.”

Your comments about it being cold rely on assuming the very thing under dispute!

It’s not arbitrary, it’s wrong. A zygote is not a baby. They aren’t the same things.

That’s not what I said. The point of all these examples was to illustrate key principles, but it seems I’ve failed.

Er, no. Viability is not relevent, IMO, because whether or not something can survive on its own is not a valid way to determine what its interests are. If a fetus has moral interests, they need to be protected regardless of whether it can survive on it’s own.

I don’t understand what you mean here.

Again, this isn’t an explanation of a moral principle, its talking about what you think and feel once you already assume that the moral principle is true.

I’m not trying to trick you, I’m trying to clarify what’s behind the premise of not killing for you. For me, what’s morally important are interests of beings: the capacity to have or have had such interests. Beings that don’t have the capacity to have interests and expectations, and have never had them, can’t have moral interests. And, given that, that’s what allows me to separate bacteria from babies, zygotes from fetuses when it comes to considering whether its wrong to kill this being or that being.

I don’t expect you to agree with that view at all, but I do want to know what your particular views are, and how you get from a general non specific principle (i.e. one that doesn’t itself specify particular beings, but rather characteristics OF beings that matter to you) to a specific application like “killing a fetus is wrong” when you use the principle to determine whether something is or is not okay to kill.

You’re interesting, IWLN, in that the most profound and groundbreaking statements you make seem to be the ones you throw in as an afterthought. This is the interesting part to me. What harm do you see happening to these people?

Why is never having had interests important? Do you hold that a brain-dead patient who will regain consciousness (these people do exist) has any current interest while he is brain dead? Can you kill this individual with the same sort of impunity that is associated with abortions, in your opinion?

It sounds as if you are saying that it is simply axiomatic to you that one who has no current conscious “interests” deserves no particular protection–i.e., there is nothing to protect. The fact that a fetus will likely have these conscious interests in the future is not relevant for you. So, in this sense, is the brain-dead patient morally equivalent?

I have raised this question before, and so far have received no really satisfying response (IMO, of course). If future sentience is valuable enough to deserve protection for a brain-dead patient, it is just as valuable for a fetus. “But I only assign future sentience value if the being once had sentience before,” is a typical response. To me, this smacks of a qualification that serves only to keep abortion legal.

The person doesn’t have it now.

He may have once been a world-class sprinter or a champion chess player. He may have once been married to a particular person. He may have once owned a particular property, which gave him a moral and legal right for said property. But so what? If right now he is not in any of those categories, he does not have any “right” or attribute specifically associated with his prior status right now. Isn’t that the essence of your exclusion of rights for a fetus, or do I misunderstand? A fetus may have sentience some day, but not now.

IOW, I see no logical reason for this qualification, in the way I can understand the logical consistency in somone’s opinion that neither a fetus nor a brain-dead person has the right to live. I may not agree with this, but I understand it. BTW, I’m not saying any of this is your belief; I’m just providing some background since this discussion has taken place previously.

So, also only in the interest if understanding what drives your beliefs, can you clarify the importance you assign to a being having a current capacity for human interests? Thanks.

The reasoning I made from the premise is rational, yes, but the premise itself, that I want to live, is necessarily non-rational.

The reason I’m (more or less) pro-choice is that I think that the freedom of bodily autonomy is more important than preserving human life. I want to live, but I also (non-rationally again) want freedom.

I’m not sure I follow your reasoning as to why you are pro-choice. Are you talking about “slippery slopes”?

Only if your personal will to live is the one and only premise, which I believe it’s not. Wanting murder to be illegal is a matter of, for example, being able to walk relatively safe in the streets at night. It’s not merely survival instinct.

Kind of. I do want murder to be illegal, but I want abortion to be legal. That’s because I do not believe that legal abortion brings about a change in the perceived value of life that will, in turn, change the societal moral stance on murder. Wanting murder to be illegal does therefore not comply me to want abortion to be illegal.

No. They aren’t the same thing. You’re right. I had to excuse myself and go lock my emotions in a closet.:o

I’m sorry. Again, you’re right. I don’t understand the idea in separating and defining each stage of development, but okay.

Agreed. I believe it should be protected even before it’s viable, so again you’re right.

Wouldn’t a moral principle be protecting the helpless? So, is the question, why protect the helpless?

Well, not killing would be the moral principle. If you’re looking for why is killing wrong, I think every explanation would just create another question.

This is really hard for me to understand. For you, the dividing line is whether or not they have ever had interests, and the fact that they will have interests if you let them has no bearing on whether they live or die. Future interests don’t qualify them for life? Can you explain that differently or tell me why?

I can do this. We can go through all the characteristics of a zygote, embryo, fetus, premie and newborn, but since I’m having a tough time determining how their interests could be different, maybe I’m missing what you’re trying to do?