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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh
Kalhoun, think about it. If the GOD you doubt exists does exist, and is the Creator of all things, including you, wouldn’t you expect that HE would expect you to approach Him with respect and reverence?
No. Love doesn’t expect servitude or reverence. What you’re talking about here is worship, and I don’t (and won’t) worship anything. It’s degrading.
Jesse: God expects it of you, Kalhoun. Christ worshipped Our Father, but you believe it’s beneath you. Fine. God will never talk to you or answer any of your questions as long as you believe you are above worshipping your Creator.
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Many prostrate themselves when they pray, other kneel, others stand. Your physical position isn’t terribly important but you attitude is.
My attitude toward love is that you need to show you mean it. Since I don’t know there’s a god, but you believe god knows about me, the responsibility is on him to make himself apparent to me in a way that I would know beyond a doubt that he even exists. And if he loves everyone, as you claim he does, he would not expect me to bow to him.
Jesse: GOD owes you nothing. You, conversely, owe HIM everything and he most certainly does expect you to bow to HIM.
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The Bible cousels us to ‘Pray in an undertone all day long.’ We can’t very well do that on our knees or we wouldn’t get anything done.
This step seems unnecessary if the being actually exists and possesses the powers you claim he possesses. He would already know what’s in your heart.
Jesse: There’s nothing GOD doesn’t know (Omniscient.), but He still expects you to pray to Him, if only to say thank You.
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The measure of arrogance displayed by anyone objecting to ‘taking a suserviant stance’ before God is… beyond measure. Even CHRIST came as a ‘Suffering SERVANT,’ but that’s too much for you?
He still hasn’t proven his existence. I don’t want to look silly.
Jesse: Too late!
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Do you salute the flag?
Stand up for the national anthem?
Occasionally, but I don’t consider it a duty. I’m not big on symbolism.
Jesse: My reasons for not doing so differ from yours, but I don’t engage in the above rituals either. Imagine that, something we agree on. 
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Kneel down before those in authority when it’s called for?
Never.
Jesse: “Give honor to whom it is due.” Also known as displaying humility.
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Bow as a sign of respect when you’re in polite company?
I might observe the custom were I to find myself in Japan, but they’re quite content to shake hands out of respect for me, in most cases. These rituals don’t hold the same value they once did. Japanese people I’ve met don’t consider it an insult if I don’t bow. They recognize it’s a custom and not a sign of disrespect.
Jesse:I didn’t specify a geographical region. Well-bred people the world over extend such courtesies to one another. We obviously travel in different circles socially.
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If so, why would you do these things for humans and human institutions, but rail against humbling yourSELF before God?
Because it serves no purpose.
**Jesse: You want answers to your questions, but not badly enough to humble yourself, and that is the only way you’ll get them. As the sages say, ‘When the student is ready the teacher will appear.’ Clearly you’re not ready, so as far as I’m concerned this discussion is over.
I wish you well, Kalhoun. - Jesse.**