Noone is born atheist

Adding information is one thing, such as the dog appears to be pet-able without it biting your head off. Taking information away, such as stating there is nothing wrong with that dog when the child knows that there is evil radiating from it is harming that child by blinding them to the presents of evil. The knowledge of how to sense evil is being take from them.

While God can allow anything, I don’t believe a adoptive parent has this special internal bond, this does not discredit their love for the child, and the bond that love creates.

Yes

I believe this bond exists even if the child never knew his parent, even decades later something is felt between parent and child.

Parents are suppose to raise the children, this is the reason for this ‘tie’ between parent and child.

A child may lie about it, but disregarding that, what the child feels is real, in that the feelings about this dog are real. For some reason that child feels evil from that dog. If that is a demon in the dog, a past experience with a demon in a dog, or fear of the physical animal will have to be prayfully considered.

Funny thing is, that the part he deleted IS the word of man about [some people’s concept] of God.

Not that Acid Lamp was justified in tampering with your text.

Of course! The Orange Demons must be propitiated in order for more oranges to be granted to that demon-bowin-down-to orange farmer.

By definition, something that affects the physical world must be detectable and measurable. Out of curiosity, do you believe that science will one day discover the existence of such a connection between the soul and the physical body in the same way that the radio waves can be detected in your analogy with the Mars rover?

Regarding your belief that knowledge of God occurs at conception, what if someone claimed to posses memories going all the way back to the point of conception? If it is the soul and not the physical brain that contains knowledge and memories, this should be possible, correct? Would you believe them?

I’m not sure this is always true as somethings can’t be measured, such as the position and velocity of a subatomic partial. Bringing this into the spiritual, how does the soul control the body, how does spirits effect them, how does God manipulate physical things.

No, from my understanding using science to measure the spiritual it is intentionally frustrated by God.

My understanding is to some degree we all have a distant memory of God and His Love, which is what causes us to seek Him later in life, it’s a homing beacon. Much information is lost IMHO in the transition into the body and it’s unlikely that much of that information would survive, but some people know that they have a calling from God, information and promises given by God at their creation, others remember time in the womb, so it’s not unprecedented. I may believe them, it depends on many things.

Humans were around for thousands of years before they cobbled together a monotheistic God concept, so I see no reason the monotheistic God concept is inherent. Clearly this calls for one of those “separated at birth” studies where one twin ends up a Christian and the other has a shrine to Zeus in his garage.

Oh I get it. You’re Jon Hendricks

Nice work on Four Brothers, btw.

Not exactly what you asked, but this study claims to demonstrate that religious belief in general is heritable. It doesn’t drill down to the level of monotheism vs. polytheism, though.

Well, I can buy that a tendency to believe is inheritable (as are tendencies toward mental illness and substance abuse) but since the specifics of what is believed are fluid, the fact that a lot of people believe in God says nothing about whether or not God exists.

Can’t remember experiencing God as a zygote either. Sorry.

Since we have no way to test the recently born to come to some scientific conclusion about this, isn’t this just another meme? It seems like the obvious conclusion but we don’t really have any way of knowing do we?

And you’re sure of this because?

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I can. I distinctly remember trying to pray, and thinking, “oh crap, I don’t have hands to fold or knees to bend” It was quite traumatic for a little zygote like me. Years later my therapist said. “That never happened you crazy bastard, stop saying it”

That seemed to help

Yes, Absolutely. It was in the porta potty at an outdoor weekend music festival.

We are all born ignorant. Cite
Later we learn things. Some of what we learn is true, some isn’t.

Kanicbird, the demitasse was sitting on my chest and banging the vacuum cleaner on the floor. Since it was 10 PM, I put her to bed. Can she go over your place, stay up all night, dance on your head, and annoy your neighbors before I brainwash her and stunt her spirituality again tomorrow night? :stuck_out_tongue:

Adam and Eve were not conceived, at least not as it is currently done, they were made whole. So they are rather lousy examples of any person conceived knowing God.

(Hope I did that right)

Adam and Eve lost connectivity with God because he threw them out of Eden and turned his back on them. Satan may have had a hand in it, but if God hadn’t thrown the grandfather of all hissy fits over one apple…

So now there are other spirits in there other than God? Dang, busy place that womb.

Great analogy for me - I don’t walk in darkness after sunset because I don’t expect anyone, even God, to be responsible for my comfort. Therefore, I know how to turn on lights.

I don’t really know what we’re debating here, except arguing with the brick wall that is kanicbird.

Valete,
Vox Imperatoris

If I’m understanding kanicbird correctly, we know that God exists when we are conceived, but then as our brain develops we begin to doubt that God exists.