# Norma McCorvey: I Pit Thee! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 19, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602 "2005-01-19T19:54:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Boggette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Boggette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boggette)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/1 "2005-01-19T19:54:15Z")
So, you got the opportunity to make your choice. Now you regret it. That’s just fine. Regret away. But just because YOU regret your choice doesn’t mean you have the right to attempt to take away the choice from other women. I pit thee, hypocrite! [http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050119/ap\_on\_go\_su\_co/scotus\_abortion\_2](http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050119/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_abortion_2) ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/2 "2005-01-19T20:14:13Z")
> [@Boggette](#): > > So, you got the opportunity to make your choice. Now you regret it. That’s just fine. Regret away. But just because YOU regret your choice doesn’t mean you have the right to attempt to take away the choice from other women. I pit thee, hypocrite! > > [http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050119/ap\_on\_go\_su\_co/scotus\_abortion\_2](http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050119/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_abortion_2) Don’t be tto rough on her. She’s a sad person who’s been treated badly all her life, looked down on by the Ivy League feminists who used her for her cause, the by gay rights advocates because McCorvey’s a lesbian, and now by the fundies, who have convinced her she’s an ex-lesbian and use her as an anti-abortion tool. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/3 "2005-01-19T20:19:53Z")
I agree. She made herself a pro-choice icon, and now she sounds the trumpet for the other side. Imagine Rosa Parks holding a press conference to say, “They’re right. We are inferior people, us niggers, and I should have gone to the back of the bus!” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/4 "2005-01-19T20:26:20Z")
I once counselled a woman who was close to me into abortion. I regret it now. She looked to me for advice and my perspective was that of a young man who perceived encumbrances as contrary to a minimally decent future for a young person. That person who I still see now and then has been seriously conflicted by that decision. I am personally burdened by my participation soley because of the lasting impact that decision had on her. The “right” to abortion is relatively new in the history of mankind and I’m not so sure that it serves the long term interests of the “host” that we are all concerned about. This woman , Norma, has now experienced a result she did not anticipate. My friend did not anticipate her chronic painful reaction either. We are merely a segment of humanity by virtue of our technological progress able to tinker with natures program, without all the information neccessary to evaluate the impact of artificial influences such as an easy way of aborting a fetus. Heretofore, most human societies and individuals accepted even the progeny of a rape. I’m still prochoice. But I sure would like to hear from other female dopers who have made the decision to abort. Have you been okay with it now that its all over? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/5 "2005-01-19T20:30:12Z")
McCorvey never struck me as a very bright individual. She seems easily lead (every time I read about her it seems she has a new position), and somewhat hysterical. Oh, and just for the record, she never had an abortion-she gave the baby up for adoption. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/6 "2005-01-19T20:35:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and just for the record, she never had an abortion-she gave the baby up for adoption. Well, I take you at your word. For me , there is no legitimate basis to accept her argument on the basis of her experience. Thankyou. ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/7 "2005-01-19T20:40:34Z")
So anybody who, in the course of some thirty years of life, changes a political opinion or position, is a hypocrite? Did you give any thought at all to the idea that her experience as a result of her initial decision might have caused her to rethink that decision? Or simply that life experience and more information in general could cause someone to change a position? I would sure hate to lock everybody into the positions they held thirty years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Boggette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Boggette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boggette)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/8 "2005-01-19T21:10:27Z")
> [@thirdwarning](#): > > So anybody who, in the course of some thirty years of life, changes a political opinion or position, is a hypocrite? Did you give any thought at all to the idea that her experience as a result of her initial decision might have caused her to rethink that decision? Or simply that life experience and more information in general could cause someone to change a position? I would sure hate to lock everybody into the positions they held thirty years ago. She has the right, as I said in my post, to regret her decision. She does not, however, have the right to try and take away other’s rights to their decision. Change your mind all you like. Leave others to make up theirs is what I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Suse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Suse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suse)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/9 "2005-01-19T22:45:50Z")
**Gobear**'s right. She’s more to be pitied than censured. ---
**Author:** ![CMAR\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85e7bf/32.png) [@CMAR\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CMAR_II)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/10 "2005-01-19T23:21:25Z")
> [@Boggette](#): > > So, you got the opportunity to make your choice. Now you regret it. That’s just fine. Regret away. But just because YOU regret your choice doesn’t mean you have the right to attempt to take away the choice from other women. I pit thee, hypocrite! Actually she did not have an abortion. [She gave the baby up for adoption.](http://www.catholicnews.com/data/briefs/cns/20040223.htm) Also, IIRC, her claim was that she was gang-raped, which was a lie, and her attorney knew it (which is a crime). Finally, if the RoevWade decision were reversed tomorrow, it would not change anything initially. The state you live in would pass laws to regulate abortions and you and your fellow citizens would vote on those laws --and Norma McCorvey could not do anything about it. Some states (CA, MA, NY) would probably subsidize all abortions. A few states would make it a little difficult and only permit it in the very early term (SC, LA). But most states would pass laws like requiring parental notification for minors, waiting periods, and education before having the procedure. I doubt any state would restrict all abortions under any circumstance but if they did, women could just drive to a state where they did not We also would (hopefully) stop voting for presidential candidates simply on who we THINK they might choose for the Supreme Court if they had the chance, and maybe judge selections would stop being a political football (or less of one) and be more about the good sense and education of the judge. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/11 "2005-01-19T23:59:10Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > I’m still prochoice. But I sure would like to hear from other female dopers who have made the decision to abort. Have you been okay with it now that its all over? Perhaps this is something that should be in a fresh thread. If so, I would tell my story - as would many other women, I’m sure - but I will neither start the thread nor tell it here. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/12 "2005-01-20T01:40:20Z")
> [@CMAR II](#): > > I doubt any state would restrict all abortions under any circumstance but if they did, women could just drive to a state where they did not. Until they made crossing state lines for the purposes of an abortion illegal. Then they’d just be shit out of luck. I agree that certain aspects of the political process would be better if we didn’t have to worry about possible effects on Roe v. Wade, but I wouldn’t be so cavalier about giving up a right to something. They’re really hard to get back. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/13 "2005-01-20T02:13:20Z")
I pity her more than anything. She’s fallen into the clutches of the Right Wing. I’ll be sure to make a generous donation to Planned Parenthood in her honor after I get my next paycheck. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/14 "2005-01-20T02:25:07Z")
> [@](#): > > I doubt any state would restrict all abortions under any circumstance but if they did, women could just drive to a state where they did not. If they have cars. And can afford the money and time off work they’d need to travel (depending on the clinic’s hours and how close to the state line they live, a round trip to another state could well mean an overnight stay). Women who are well off are always going to be OK; it’s the poor who suffer from overly restrictive laws. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/15 "2005-01-20T02:29:24Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I pity her more than anything. She’s fallen into the clutches of the Right Wing. > > I’ll be sure to make a generous donation to Planned Parenthood in her honor after I get my next paycheck. 😛 Not that she was ever in the “clutches” of the pro choice folks? I suppose your ends might justify the means in **that** kind of “clutch”. eh? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/16 "2005-01-20T02:46:30Z")
Imagine that…a pro-choice person who made a choice, and then as she gets older decides that she made the wrong choice, and now she’s being criticized for her choice by pro-choicers. Hypocrisy, thy name is **Boggette**. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/17 "2005-01-20T05:46:47Z")
What boggles my mind is that she’s approaching the Supreme Court with a _petition._ For crying out loud, a _petition!_ It’s definitly going on my Goddam Dumbest Thing I’ve Ever Heard list. Does she honestly think the Justices will look at the pile of pages and say, “Gosh, look at all those signiatures. Maybe we should reconsider.” Someone needs to knock this dumb bitch upside the head and remind her that Constitutional rights are not based on whether or not you have enough support for your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/18 "2005-01-20T06:08:50Z")
> [@Boggette](#): > > She does not, however, have the right to try and take away other’s rights to their decision. There are those who say that the right to an abortion does not really exist and the earlier SC decision was in error. I’m not one of those, mind you, but they are out there. Anyways, all she’s doing is trying to get a court to listen to her side. She has that right. (to try, anyway) You have that right, too. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/19 "2005-01-20T13:51:47Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Anyways, all she’s doing is trying to get a court to listen to her side. She has that right. (to try, anyway) You have that right, too. But usually doesn’t that entail actually presenting a _case_, rather than just a ream of signiatures and a “Pretty please?” Instead, this stupid woman is making her “appeal” using public opinion as her basis. The Justices make decisions based on the law, not on the popularity of the notion. She could collect one hundred twenty million signiatures, and it still wouldn’t make a bit of difference-- at least, it shouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602/20 "2005-01-20T13:56:28Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > Not that she was ever in the “clutches” of the pro choice folks? > > I suppose your ends might justify the means in **that** kind of “clutch”. eh? Anyone who belongs to Operation Rescue is batshit crazy. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/norma-mccorvey-i-pit-thee/285602.md?page=2)