# North Carolina passes hateful Amendment 1 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351 "2012-05-09T02:33:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/1 "2012-05-09T02:33:40Z")
I am a straight, married male. I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut who marries whom. I don’t know why anyone else does. We get one shot at this life and if you want to limit someone else’s happiness, you are a terrible person. From now on, I will only see the parts of NC visible on I95 as I drive through. Not stopping to get gas, get a drink, or piss in their rest stop. Fuck you backwater, multi-phobic, hateful jackasses. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/2 "2012-05-09T02:41:02Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > I am a straight, married male. I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut who marries whom. I don’t know why anyone else does. We get one shot at this life and if you want to limit someone else’s happiness, you are a terrible person. > > From now on, I will only see the parts of NC visible on I95 as I drive through. Not stopping to get gas, get a drink, or piss in their rest stop. > > Fuck you backwater, multi-phobic, hateful jackasses. I’m with most of your rant, but if you’re planning on saving up your urine for the good egalitarians in South Carolina, think again. County by county it was pretty interesting. Chapel Hill, Asheville, Charlotte, Raleigh, and a few other places with cities voted heavily against the amendment. It’s the rural areas where they’re still terrified of catching teh gay. Stupid fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/3 "2012-05-09T02:45:24Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m with most of your rant, but if you’re planning on saving up your urine for the good egalitarians in South Carolina, think again. > > County by county it was pretty interesting. Chapel Hill, Asheville, Charlotte, Raleigh, and a few other places with cities voted heavily against the amendment. It’s the rural areas where they’re still terrified of catching teh gay. > > Stupid fuckers. Look at [“red-blue”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gastner_map_purple_byarea_bycounty.png) map of the U.S., shaded from red to purple to blue (based on 2008 presidential election results), and broken down by county. The picture is clear: The divide is not between North and South, or East and West, or Coasts and Flyover. It is between the City and the Countryside. And that kind of fight, the City **always** wins in the long run, and always deserves to win. I’m looking at **you,** Thomas Jefferson and William Jennings Bryan. Ya hicks. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/4 "2012-05-09T03:05:04Z")
You’re better off not stopping; our rest stops are _nasty_. And, as you’ve seen, the state is full of ignorant redneck asshats who will loudly proclaim that same-sex marriage is “against Gawd’s will”, but will be first in line for shrimp at the local barbeque joint on Friday. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/5 "2012-05-09T03:09:40Z")
Well, since we’re in the Pit, I hope that every single person who votes for that sort of law, would consider voting for that sort of law, or kinda vaguely supports that kind of law dies horribly and alone, and put a rush on it bitches. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/6 "2012-05-09T03:10:38Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > You’re better off not stopping; our rest stops are _nasty_. > > And, as you’ve seen, the state is full of ignorant redneck asshats who will loudly proclaim that same-sex marriage is “against Gawd’s will”, but will be first in line for shrimp at the local barbeque joint on Friday. This analogy 😕 me… Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/7 "2012-05-09T03:15:27Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This analogy 😕 me… Huh? Eating shrimp is prohibited by the Old Testament. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/8 "2012-05-09T03:16:35Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This analogy 😕 me… Huh? I think he’s saying they’re wearing cotton polyester blends, if you catch my [drift](http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/9 "2012-05-09T03:17:32Z")
My opinion of North Caroline has just … stayed the same. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/10 "2012-05-09T03:19:01Z")
Shrimp, being shellfish, is also against Gawd’s will. Unless you’re Christian, in which case you can eat it to your heart’s content. Frankly, it’s none of my business who you marry. Last I checked, your (and that’s the universal “your”) relationship has fuck-all to do with mine. I just don’t get the small-mindedness. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/11 "2012-05-09T03:23:08Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > You’re better off not stopping; our rest stops are _nasty_. Hold it in 'til you reach [South of the Border!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_the_Border_(attraction)) Now **that’s** nasty – but wonderfully! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Claptree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Claptree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claptree)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/12 "2012-05-09T03:23:44Z")
You people should be sleeping! Very saddened, though not in the least surprised, by the outcome of the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/13 "2012-05-09T03:25:17Z")
North Carolina, I’m so disappointed in you. I’ve always thought of you as the sensible Carolina and now you do something like this. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/14 "2012-05-09T03:25:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The picture is clear: The divide is not between North and South, or East and West, or Coasts and Flyover. It is between the City and the Countryside. I’ll be interested to see the breakdown of the Amendment 1 vote, because here in California the divide was partly city/country, but it was just as obviously old/young. In the 18-24 age group, 64% voted against Prop 8, while in the 65+ age group, 61% voted for it, and the numbers were pretty much a sliding scale between those two groups. Basically, the older you were, the more likely you were to vote against gay marriage. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/15 "2012-05-09T03:32:24Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’ll be interested to see the breakdown of the Amendment 1 vote, because here in California the divide was partly city/country, but it was just as obviously old/young. > > In the 18-24 age group, 64% voted against Prop 8, while in the 65+ age group, 61% voted for it, and the numbers were pretty much a sliding scale between those two groups. Basically, the older you were, the more likely you were to vote against gay marriage. This is what as known as a “self-correcting problem.” Because it’s not a matter of how many years old you are, it’s a matter of what generational culture you grew up in. Nobody is going to turn against gay marriage as they age. ([People actually tend to grow more **liberal** as they age.](http://news.discovery.com/human/voter-conservative-aging-liberal-120119.html)) And those who are against it now will be gone soon enough (in terms of election cycles) – and they will not be, politically speaking, replaced. Their children and grandchildren will not vote the way they do. I realize this is small solace to same-sex couples who want to marry now, but, at least on a generational time-scale, time **is** on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/16 "2012-05-09T03:38:13Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > And, as you’ve seen, the state is full of ignorant redneck asshats who will loudly proclaim that same-sex marriage is “against Gawd’s will”, but will be first in line for shrimp at the local barbeque joint on Friday. The New Testament specifically lifts the dietary restrictions found in Leviticus. I don’t recall the New Testament saying anything about clothing made from multiple fibers though… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/17 "2012-05-09T03:40:14Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > My opinion of North Caroline has just … stayed the same. Yeah, same here. Here’s my position on this whole thing (i.e., gay marriage, this amendment). If I were the king of a kingdom, then anyone who wanted to marry any other consenting person would be allowed to get married. And any two people who wanted to marry any other number of other consenting persons would be allowed to marry as well (we could get fancy and specify every form of poly-marriage, some even Heinlein never came up with). As a citizen of the real world, the US specifically, I would vote to allow gay marriage in my state if given the opportunity, and I would vote against an amendment like the one passed in NC. However, I do not believe that the US Constitution grants gay people the right to marry other people of the same gender. (And if you want to argue about it, then actually write up an argument, and I will respond. I will not respond to drivel such as “what about equal protection, eh?”.) Therefore, it’s simply a voting issue. The people of North Carolina have voted on gay marriage, and they’re agin’ it. Fine. I don’t like that result, but I don’t live in North Carolina, and I have no plans to move to North Carolina. If I did have such plans, this would be a factor that I would weigh in the mix (and would tend to dissuade me from moving there). But it’s a voting issue, people voted, and there you go. It sucks for gay people in NC that want the same rights as straight married people, but they can weigh that into their continuing decision to live in NC. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/18 "2012-05-09T03:42:30Z")
I would condemn North Carolina for this, but I’m not going to since I live in Ohio which also passed a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage except it did so in 2004 and it passed by a larger margin than North Carolina’s did. Even worse, even despite tonight, most polls show that a smaller percentage of NC’s population opposes same-sex marriage than does Ohio’s, even now. (All of this is coming from various Wikipedia articles, FWIW.) It’s neither an excuse for NC nor a comfort for anyone there who has to live with the fallout, but I’m just saying that as hard as it is to believe tonight, NC’s actually not the worst offender out there. I can say this much at least. When Ohio made its decision on this issue back in 2004, it did so despite my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/19 "2012-05-09T03:49:20Z")
On the bright side, acceptance of marriage equality is growing in other states, and time is on its side. Reactionary pushback always accompanies profound social change. Look how much the default view on racial integration and civil rights changed between 1950 and 1975, for example. Twenty-five years from now, the outcome of today’s vote will just be an embarrassment to most North Carolinians. Sigh, though. I had been looking forward hopefully to yelling “Tar Heels Rule”. Guess that will have to wait a while. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351/20 "2012-05-09T03:49:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > This is what as known as a “self-correcting problem.” Exactly. That’s one of the few positives i took out of the Prop 8 results here in California: the fact that the bigots probably _know_ that this fight is unwinnable for them, even in the relatively short-to-medium term. Hell, in the eight years between Prop 22 in 2000 (a ban on state recognition of same-sex marriages) and Prop 8 in 2008 (constitutional amendment restricting recognition of marriage to opposite-sex couples), opposition to same-sex marriage in California declined at a rate of over 1 percent per year. In 2000, 61 percent of voters supported Prop 22, and in 2008, 52% supported Prop 8. Based on that trend, another vote this year (2012) might see the anti-gay marriage forces defeated in California, and within the next few years it becomes even more likely. As [this report](http://www.equalitygiving.org/files/California-Proposition-8-Results/California-Proposition-8-Results-Egan-Sherrill.pdf) (PDF) notes: > [@](#): > > In nearly every instance, the votes of Californians have shifted in the direction of support for marriage equality. Men and women have moved toward approval of same-sex marriage to a nearly equal degree (by 7 and 8 percentage points, respectively). Support has increased among every age group under 65, across all racial and ethnic groups, and among Protestants, Catholics, and Jews alike. The state’s Democrats, independents, liberals, and moderates have all shifted in the direction of marriage equality as well. The comparison reveals three groups that may be considered to be “holdouts” regarding the move toward approval of legalizing same-sex marriage in California: Republicans, conservatives, and those aged 65 and over. As the report notes, age and “generational replacement” will likely help the trend continue, as new, young voters “enter the electorate with much more supportive views on same-sex marriage and other rights for gay people than those who they replace.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-carolina-passes-hateful-amendment-1/621351.md?page=2)