Yes, a voter whose name does not appear can cast a provisional ballot.
Erdogan held an election this year. Which he won. He got a little more than 50% of the popular vote. Putin did the same, but won with 77%. Venezuela is holding an election as we speak! Sure, the opposition leader is under house arrest, but people can go out and vote!
I feel like your understanding of what it looks like when democracy dies is woefully out of date.
Sure, you got to pole vault over the piranha pit and hop blindfolded through the mine field, but the vote is still there once you get there! Nobody took that away, its right there.
No, you don’t have to do all that.
You can just vote provisionally, right?
It is the pole vaulting that then comes in trying to get your provisional vote to actually count.
What’s this ‘card’ of which you speak?
And what happens next? (*Hint: *see the text of the law, which HD quoted in post #26.)
I’m not BPC, but could you please cite the nature and relevance of the ‘postcard’ you keep referring to?
Georgia on his mind.
Sorry. I lost track of which state thread this was.
No card involved here. My bad.
No prob. 
But while we’re at it, can we also agree that Ginsburg did in fact dissent from the Supreme Court’s decision to let the 8th Circuit’s ruling stand?
Yes. Joined only by Kagan. Breyer and Sotomayor were the two liberal justices that did did not dissent.
Honestly— which of those regimes do you argue is remotely comparable to North Dakota’s voting scheme? Please be specific on the similar scope and features you believe are identical or so close as to invite this comparison.
Right now? I’m not sure if North Dakota is close to any of them. Please note the tense - I’m noticing the direction things are going, not where they are now. These things just keep happening. And why should the Republicans stop? They’re winning! Nobody seems to care about voter disenfranchisement except those who are disenfranchised. So why should they stop? Why not take it further? The immediate republican response to a democrat winning in their state was, “How can we stop this from happening again” and the answer they landed on was “stop people from voting”. And it worked! Why stop there if it keeps fucking working?
That’s a good question. Why should the Republicans abiding by the Constitution, even if it upsets liberals?
I can’t think of a good answer, and “because otherwise liberals pitch a fit” doesn’t strike me as one.
No one is being disenfranchised. Repetition doesn’t establish it as true, because it isn’t.
Regards,
Shodan
You wrote “effect” when you meant “affect,” there for you’re argument’s our invalid.
Native Americans in North Dakota would beg to differ. It’s constitutional to waterboard people; that does not make it right. And if you can’t see disenfranchisement here, then you will not see disenfranchisement right up until democracy dies.
Normally I would agree with you, but it does seem like North Dakatans (?) without a residential address are kind of screwed.
You don’t think so?
Uh. What?
I would like to point out to all of the lefts in this thread that when I talk about how I was a victim of voter fraud that would have been stopped with Voter ID I had to cast a provisional ballot*. A few of you replied effectively, “Hey you got to cast a provisional ballot so you weren’t disenfranchised.”
So is casting a provisional ballot because of someone voting under your name or not having a street address or not having “valid” ID at the polling place or not receiving your mail-in ballot enfranchisement or disenfranchisement?
*Lost in the conversation is that one ballot in the box was fraudulently cast so that vote definitely counted while mine may or may not have counted.
Rick Kitchen, Bricker is a lawyer, so I’m assuming cuauhtemoc is riffing on legal contracts and whatnot.
Saint Cad, I would agree with you that you were disenfranchised, that your ballot didn’t count because someone voted in your place.
My uncle lived in rural Arkansas, and they had a similar situation. He was the county emergency management coordinator when the e911 system was implemented, and oversaw the assigning of street names and addresses to all the rural locations. In that instance, people were asked to submit their own street names for roads on private property, and everyone was informed. But he wasn’t dealing with a situation like a reservation, where much of the property is owned and managed by the Tribe, and many people wouldn’t deal with any of the county paperwork themselves.
No, I don’t think so.
Cite. Or, as mentioned, they can cast a provisional ballot.
North Dakota requires everyone to have an address, and will accept a wide variety of documents to show it. This is hardly a specially onerous burden on Native Americans - it applies to everyone.
Democrats complain that voter registration is too hard, so North Dakota doesn’t have it - any resident can vote. Now showing that you are actually a resident is too hard. What’s next - “I don’t remember my name”?
Someone has no job, no paycheck, doesn’t pay the utilities, doesn’t get a check from the tribe, doesn’t have tribal ID, doesn’t have any documents from the BIA, doesn’t have a bank account, and if he or she can’t vote simply on his or her own say-so, democracy has ended in ND. :rolleyes:
Regards,
Shodan
I’m still waiting for one of you guys to explain how someone without a residential street address is supposed to vote in North Dakota.
As best as I can tell, if you don’t have an ID showing your residential street address, you can bring in alternative identification, like a utility bill or whatnot, but it would have to have your residential street address. (It’s right there, “current North Dakota residential address,” in the quote box in your post #99.) And if you have to vote provisionally (hi, Saint Cad!), you can demonstrate that it should count, by bringing in some sort of ID with your residential street address.
There are all sorts of alternative paths to getting to vote, but if you don’t have a residential street address, each and every path to voting and having it count appears to hit the same wall.
Your turn.