# North Korea Announces Planned Test Of Nuclear Weapon. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2006, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093 "2006-10-03T12:45:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/1 "2006-10-03T12:45:46Z")
The Article– > **[CNN.com - North Korea pledges to test nuclear bomb - Oct 3, 2006](https://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/03/nkorea.nuclear/index.html)** > > North Korea, citing American belligerence and pressure, said Tuesday it will conduct a nuclear test. > [@](#): > > (CNN) – North Korea, citing American belligerence and pressure, said Tuesday it will conduct a nuclear test. > > The North Korean Foreign Ministry issued the comment in a statement published by the Korean Central News Agency, or KCNA – the communist country’s official news agency. > > “The field of scientific research of the DPRK will in the future conduct a nuclear test under the condition where safety is firmly guaranteed,” the statement said. > > … > > A date and time for the test was not issued. Well, we knew it was going to happen eventually. Officially, we invaded the wrong country. And, deep in my heart, I find myself asking: Is this how it was when Rome fell? ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/2 "2006-10-03T13:23:28Z")
Yeah. Basically, the northern barbarians started testing nukes. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to go to the Colisseum to watch a few Christians get torn to shreds. Hail Caesar! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/3 "2006-10-03T13:25:01Z")
A translated summary of the Nork Korean statement. > **[BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | N Korea statement on nuclear test](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5402292.stm)** > > Read an edited version of the statement put out by the North Korean foreign ministry declaring Pyongyang's intention to test a nuclear weapon. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/4 "2006-10-03T13:33:31Z")
Am I the only one that half expects them to blow up themselves up when they test this? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/5 "2006-10-03T13:36:24Z")
[QUOTE=ShibbOleth] Am I the only one that half expects them to blow up themselves up when they test this? [/QUOTE] One does wonder _where_ they would test it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/6 "2006-10-03T13:45:00Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] One does wonder _where_ they would test it. [/QUOTE] Mid-ocean is a possibility. Or the islands to the east of North Korea. ---
**Author:** ![lokij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5e9695/32.png) [@lokij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lokij)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/7 "2006-10-03T13:47:24Z")
They can test to their little communist heart’s content. We already know they have fissile material and can kludge together a bomb, testing one just means they’re going to use up some of that plutonium we’re worried about… make some of their already worthless arid country uninhabitable for awhile and piss off China even more. It’s delivery systems that matter and to date they haven’t got one that can threaten us substantially. Invading North Korea was never an option. Even if we wanted to we couldn’t and their little obsession with spending what little hard currency they have on WMD doesn’t change that a bit. Invading North Korea would mean leveling Seoul and China would not stand for it. This is desperation, Kim Jong Ill doesn’t have too many other scary ways to extort money from the world left… if we yawn at this the way we have (in my mind intelligently) been downplaying his other tantrums lately he’s going to be sweating bullets. He really REALLY needs outside aid to prop up the little bizzaro world he’s got going on there… and I think it’s starting to sink in that we’re not going to cave just because he’s got “The Bomb”. Think about this… to date any of our negotiations have been based on the pleasant fiction that NK doesn’t actually HAVE nuclear weapons, just the capability to make them… if he tests one, well… he can either disarm, use one or just sit on it. Disarming means, effectively… the end of his regime it would mean outside inspectors, humiliation and untold wasted resources with a probable military coup to follow. Sitting on it, the same… only slower… because we’re damn sure not going to give him aid to keep him from getting a weapon he’s proven he already has… if his military elite start feeling the crunch as badly as his poor citizenry, they’re not going to wait long before ousting him. If he uses one, NK ceases to be a problem… except environmentally. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/8 "2006-10-03T13:49:47Z")
[QUOTE=lokij] They can test to their little communist heart’s content. We already know they have fissile material and can kludge together a bomb, testing one just means they’re going to use up some of that plutonium we’re worried about.. make some of their already worthless arid country uninhabitable for awhile and piss off China even more. It’s delivery systems that matter and to date they haven’t got one that can threaten us substantially. Invading North Korea was never an option. Even if we wanted to we couldn’t and their little obsession with spending what little hard currency they have on WMD doesn’t change that a bit. Invading North Korea would mean leveling Seoul and China would not stand for it. This is desperation, Kim Jong Ill doesn’t have too many other scary ways to extort money from the world left.. if we yawn at this the way we have (in my mind intelligently) been downplaying his other tantrums lately he’s going to be sweating bullets. He really REALLY needs outside aid to prop up the little bizzaro world he’s got going on there… and I think it’s starting to sink in that we’re not going to cave just because he’s got “The Bomb”. Think about this… to date any of our negotiations have been based on the pleasant fiction that NK doesn’t actually HAVE nuclear weapons, just the capability to make them.. if he tests one, well… he can either disarm, use one or just sit on it. Disarming means, effectively.. the end of his regime it would mean outside inspectors, humiliation and untold wasted resources with a probable military coup to follow. Sitting on it, the same… only slower… because we’re damn sure not going to give him aid to keep him from getting a weapon he’s proven he already has… if his military elite start feeling the crunch as badly as his poor citizenry, they’re not going to wait long before ousting him. If he uses one, NK ceases to be a problem… except environmentally. [/QUOTE] All he has to do is give one away, free. _ **Then** _ he strikes at us. It arrives in a crate, on the back of a pickup truck, crossing the Mexican Border at midnight. We couldn’t even trace it to him. ---
**Author:** ![lokij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5e9695/32.png) [@lokij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lokij)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/9 "2006-10-03T13:58:03Z")
[QUOTE=Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor] All he has to do is give one away, free. _ **Then** _ he strikes at us. It arrives in a crate, on the back of a pickup truck, crossing the Mexican Border at midnight. We couldn’t even trace it to him. [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t bet on that, there are ways to trace things and if there was even a Rumor a hint of a whiff that the bomb did come from NK, well.. you saw what happened to Afghanistan and that was a conventional attack only tangentially sponsered by the Taliban. Even if he DID do that, what exactly would he gain? Sure,.. he’d strike a blow against the US for the glorious people’s revolution… but… he’d sure as HELL never actually SAY he did.. and keep in mind this is NOT a guy that’s given to subtlety or keeping his mouth shut. I mean, I guess he’d get whatever money people could pony up for the bomb itself but in the global scheme of things that’s small potatoes. If he started spending alot of mystery money we’d certainly want to know where that came from, especially in light of LA going up in nuclear flames. Basically, I’m not worried about this. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/10 "2006-10-03T14:29:01Z")
They’re 7 for 7 on missile failures, thanks to an emergency lift off of a shuttle and some nicely aimed masering. Not sure that will work on a nuke test though… ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/11 "2006-10-03T15:22:17Z")
I’m kind of picturing Kim Jong Il, as Yosemite Sam, jumping up and down on the pointy end of a nuke while wondering aloud why the thing won’t detonate… ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/12 "2006-10-03T16:37:41Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] They’re 7 for 7 on missile failures, thanks to an emergency lift off of a shuttle and some nicely aimed masering. Not sure that will work on a nuke test though… [/QUOTE] What on earth are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/13 "2006-10-03T20:47:22Z")
There was an unsubstantiated rumor that the shuttle that rushed through pre-check right before NK’s missile tests this past spring carried a maser…an item that harks back to the old SDI program. Supposedly, maser (I’ll leave it to the tech folks to explain the exact difference between it and a laser) can down a launched missile. History shows that the shuttle did go through one hell of a hurried launch right before those tests and if memory serves, even launched in the middle of a storm. And NK had an unprecedented 7 for 7 missile failures. Hmmm. Of course, it was only a rumor… And I have no idea how to ruin an above or below ground nuclear test from space. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/14 "2006-10-03T20:50:30Z")
Wouldn’t the Pentagon also want to know if the Korean missiles worked? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/15 "2006-10-03T20:58:13Z")
With no more credientials other than having been a horrified, fascinated, and perplexed observer of NK for the past 12 years, since a friend of mine smuggled a movie camera in and filmed the place, I think **lokij** has it absolutely right. That said, KJI is insane in ways we can only but imagine; all western strategic analyses of NK I’ve seen have been based on a theory that the country’s strategies are rational. They’re not. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2006, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/16 "2006-10-03T22:49:26Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] …That said, KJI is insane in ways we can only but imagine; all western strategic analyses of NK I’ve seen have been based on a theory that the country’s strategies are rational. They’re not. [/QUOTE] South Korea and Japan are so fucked if Kim gets suicidal. ---
**Author:** ![ASAKMOTSD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@ASAKMOTSD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASAKMOTSD)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/17 "2006-10-04T02:35:45Z")
We can hope that they test them on Iran’s nuclear facilities, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/18 "2006-10-04T15:07:15Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] They’re 7 for 7 on missile failures, thanks to an emergency lift off of a shuttle and some nicely aimed masering. QUOTE] You freak. The Shuttle is used for initiating earthquakes. The maser is located on The Hubble. Your foil hat on too tight? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/19 "2006-10-04T17:54:21Z")
[QUOTE=Count Blucher] There was an unsubstantiated rumor that the shuttle that rushed through pre-check right before NK’s missile tests this past spring carried a maser…an item that harks back to the old SDI program. Supposedly, maser (I’ll leave it to the tech folks to explain the exact difference between it and a laser) can down a launched missile. [/QUOTE] Nah, they used a [paser.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=390912) I heard an interview on the BBC with a North Korean spokesman about this mess. The North Korean’s response was basically, “Fuck it. What the hell else are we supposed to do? We’re gonna set one off and you guys are going to suck on it.” Then, he **hung up** on the interviewer. This isn’t looking at all good. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093/20 "2006-10-04T18:37:21Z")
OK, suppose NK manages to build a bomb, and sets it off underground (I can’t imagine that they would be so foolish as to try an atmospheric test). So what? Does it mean anything? Of course, if i were a japanese, I might be a little worried… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-announces-planned-test-of-nuclear-weapon/375093.md?page=2)