# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/441 "2018-06-07T17:45:57Z")
[Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick…](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391193-trump-dont-have-to-prepare-very-much-for-north-korea-summit) > [@](#): > > President Trump on Thursday said he does not have to prepare “very much” for his high-stakes summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un because he believes “it’s about attitude.” > > “I think I’m very well prepared,” Trump told reporters during a meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. “I don’t think I have to prepare very much. It’s about attitude. It’s about willingness to get things done.”… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/442 "2018-06-07T18:21:49Z")
Kim may well want not to have to spend any more on his nuke and rocket program, just as long as he can keep them credible. He is not going to be able to pay his own hotel bills in Singapore. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/443 "2018-06-07T20:33:48Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick…](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391193-trump-dont-have-to-prepare-very-much-for-north-korea-summit) The great thing about this is that now Kim Jong Un doesn’t have to wonder _how_ unprepared Trump is: now he knows that Trump is utterly and completely unprepared. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/444 "2018-06-07T20:39:25Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick…](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391193-trump-dont-have-to-prepare-very-much-for-north-korea-summit) I wonder if he knows the words to Aegukka. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/445 "2018-06-07T20:50:25Z")
I think this is one of those sticky issues that can be easily resolved with Trump issuing Kim’s pardon. It’s all about the willingness to get things done, you see. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/446 "2018-06-07T20:55:47Z")
I just thought of this, and I admit that I’d laugh if it happened: wouldn’t it be a hoot if one day Trump just up and announced that he had pardoned every citizen for everything they had done or might have done up until that point? Everyone starts with a clean slate. That’d sure fuck up the system! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/447 "2018-06-07T20:58:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I just thought of this, and I admit that I’d laugh if it happened: wouldn’t it be a hoot if one day Trump just up and announced that he had pardoned every citizen for everything they had done or might have done up until that point? Everyone starts with a clean slate. That’d sure fuck up the system! Be a bit fun, but would only work for federal crimes. Though emptying the jails would be an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/448 "2018-06-07T21:03:22Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Be a bit fun, but would only work for federal crimes. > > Though emptying the jails would be an improvement. Mueller’s investigation will need the space for Trump & Co. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/449 "2018-06-07T21:31:45Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick…](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391193-trump-dont-have-to-prepare-very-much-for-north-korea-summit) Whatever Trump agrees to is certain to be a much biglier believe me deal than that utter fucking hosing Obama gave Maga’ians in his agreement with Iran. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/450 "2018-06-07T23:56:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I keep asking myself if Kim Jung Un actually sees benefit in helping Trump, in providing political cover. It’s entirely possible that he does - after all, Trump is giving the Kim regime unprecedented levels of attention of international legitimacy. But if Kim believes that there’s benefit to keeping Trump around in the short term, then perhaps they strike some sort of tentative framework. A framework or a plan to denuclearize is absolutely within the realm of the possible. > > But plans for a house, ain’t a house. I don’t see how Kim benefits from giving up the weapons that have earned him this meeting in the first place. An agreement not to produce more? Possible. Agreement to suspend missile production? Maybe. But to de-fang himself? I just don’t see it. Exactly all this. In fact, it may have been this thread where I pretty much said the same. It may just be Trump’s specific goal to construct a nuclear “deal” he can tout as a win that isn’t supposed to actually result in significant denuclearization until he’s long gone (_Hosanna!_) and can blame any failures on his successor. For him and Kim, that’s a win/win. They both need each other’s help and neither of them could give a shit about anything or anybody else. So a “deal” there will be… Except, inexplicably, it appears that John Bolton is slated to go to the talks in Singapore. He’s the wild card, and he may just jump on the table and start beheading the members of his own delegation for considering a weak deal. Should be as interesting as it is terrifying. It would not surprise me if something interferes with Bolton’s ability to attend… or to ever be heard from again… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/451 "2018-06-10T02:54:19Z")
So today Trump left the G7 conference saying " > [@](#): > > Trump himself insisted relationships with allies were a “ten” just before he left the summit. and immediately began tweeting crap about everyone he had just walked away from, finally working himself up into such a lather that he repudiated the conference communique that he had just agreed to a few hours earlier. So then he says that the meeting with NK is a “one-time shot” for Kim. Does he think that Kim is going to trust him to keep his word on _anything_? Why would he think that? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/452 "2018-06-10T03:55:48Z")
North Korea was just clearing a construction site for the new US Embassy… ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/453 "2018-06-10T13:23:59Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > North Korea was just clearing a construction site for the new US Embassy… Ah, Dennis Rodman, ambassador to NK. I see it coming. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/454 "2018-06-10T14:39:37Z")
Too late to add this… Seems Dennis Rodman will be at the summit. > **[Dennis Rodman traveling to Singapore for North Korea summit | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/08/politics/dennis-rodman-north-korea-summit/index.html)** > > Former NBA star Dennis Rodman is traveling to Singapore for the upcoming summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/455 "2018-06-10T15:04:04Z")
Yet another fellow reality show cast member in the flow of Trump related news. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/456 "2018-06-10T15:34:59Z")
I really thought that was going to be an Onion article. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/457 "2018-06-10T16:00:20Z")
Before anything happens, I’d like to hear from the Presidents critics on what an initial successful meeting would look like? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/458 "2018-06-10T16:11:09Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Before anything happens, I’d like to hear from the Presidents critics on what an initial successful meeting would look like? Denuclearization, removal of advanced enrichment capabilities, and around the clock supervision by an international consortium to ensure compliance, in exchange for easing of sanctions. Iran 2.0. What would be the conservative response to such an agreement? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/459 "2018-06-10T16:48:05Z")
North Korea agreeing to dismantle any and all nuclear weapons plus agreeing to restrictions on the acquisition of raw materials similar to those included in the Iran deal. And agreeing to inspections similar to the inspections in the Iran deal. Now here’s a few for you. One of the main criticisms from the right regarding the “horrible horrible very bad no good” Iran deal wasn’t about the terms of the deal. It was the idea that no matter how good the deal was, Iran could not be trusted to keep it. Why do you think that North Korea is more trustworthy than Iran? The other was that without Congressional approval that the Iran deal was invalid. Why would this one be different? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/460 "2018-06-10T17:36:34Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Before anything happens, I’d like to hear from the Presidents critics on what an initial successful meeting would look like? Before anything happens, I’d like to hear from the President’s supporters on what the _minimum_ is for a success. Also, what would constitute a failure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=24)