# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/481 "2018-06-11T14:10:20Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > You really have no clue. > > 1 ) This was not a treaty. This is clearly important to you, but I’m not sure why. What it means domestically is that it didn’t get ratified by 2/3 of the U.S. Senate, which almost never happens anymore. Internationally, other countries take agreements between nations pretty damn seriously if they’ve been agreed to by the chief executives of those nations on their behalf. (Not sure on this, but I think that’s what other countries consider a ‘treaty’ to be.) We seem to be the outlier here. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/482 "2018-06-11T14:12:09Z")
Should be interesting to see how much Trump gives away in return for practically nothing. He’s already given away the fact of the summit itself - something that NK wanted from the past several US Presidents, but they refused to give him the equal status that that would have implied. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/483 "2018-06-11T14:18:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Should be interesting to see how much Trump gives away in return for practically nothing. > > He’s already given away the fact of the summit itself - something that NK wanted from the past several US Presidents, but they refused to give him the equal status that that would have implied. More important, let’s see how far trump gets from Singapore before he changes his mind and rescinds whatever he did there. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/484 "2018-06-11T14:21:23Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Should be interesting to see how much Trump gives away in return for practically nothing. > > He’s already given away the fact of the summit itself - something that NK wanted from the past several US Presidents, but they refused to give him the equal status that that would have implied. This is a rather important point that Trump and his supporters have been madly spinning. They argue that, unlike his predecessors, Trump has managed to bring Kim to the negotiating table, despite the fact that the Kims have wanted a sit-down with a US President for decades. It’s a bit like bragging that you convinced a toddler to eat a quart of ice cream; they’ve always wanted to, but other responsible grown-ups before you had recognized that there would be undesirable consequences to doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/485 "2018-06-11T15:03:34Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > He’s more like Reagan, who as we know had a breakthrough with the Russians, and served when the wall fell. Which wall was this? Obviously not the Berlin Wall, which was intact and in use when Reagan left office. Reagan told the Russians to “Tear down this wall!” and his supporters cheered. But the Russians did nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/486 "2018-06-11T15:24:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Which wall was this? Obviously not the Berlin Wall, which was intact and in use when Reagan left office. > > Reagan told the Russians to “Tear down this wall!” and his supporters cheered. But the Russians did nothing. Hey hey HEY… don’t you go bringing facts into things when people are trying to spin a Reagan myth! There’s no place for facts in the modern GOP, you know that! ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/487 "2018-06-11T15:27:32Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Kim Jon-Un’s eyes probably were opened during the Olympics. He saw South Korea’s progress and looks at his barren land. Okay, no one else jumped on this, so I will. Seriously? Had his eyes opened? Do you think this trip was his first time outside of NK, or something? [He went to school in Switzerland, for god’s sake!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-un#Early_life) > [@](#): > > According to reports first published in Japanese newspapers, he went to school in Switzerland near Bern. First reports claimed he attended the private English-language International School in Gümligen under the name “Chol-pak” or “Pak-chol” from 1993 to 1998.[22] He was described as shy, a good student who got along well with his classmates and was a basketball fan.[23] He was chaperoned by an older student, who was thought to be his bodyguard.[24] > > Later, it was reported that Kim Jong-un attended the Liebefeld Steinhölzli state school in Köniz near Bern under the name “Pak-un” or “Un-pak” from 1998 until 2000 as the son of an employee of the North Korean embassy in Bern. Authorities of Köniz confirmed that a student from North Korea, registered as the son of a member of the embassy, attended the school from August 1998 until the autumn of 2000, but were unable to give details about his identity. Pak-un first attended a special class for foreign-language children and later attended the regular classes of the 6th, 7th, 8th, and part of the final 9th year, leaving the school abruptly in the autumn of 2000. You seem to have some image in your head of Kim being some wild savage from the jungle, being impressed by all the Magical Technology of the rest of the world. But he’s not. He’s probably got a better, and more worldly, education than you. He knows exactly what the rest of the world is like, in comparison to NK, and he’s known it for most if not all of his life. That you think this one visit to SK will suddenly “open his eyes” and make him desperate for Trump’s approval is just ludicrous. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > More important, let’s see how far trump gets from Singapore before he changes his mind and rescinds whatever he did there. And that’s the key point. It doesn’t matter what Trump says, or even what he puts on paper. It matters what he will do, and keep doing for the long term. And if there’s anything you can learn from his entire history as a businessman, it’s that he doesn’t stick to any agreement for very long after he perceives some benefit to himself of breaking it. And I can guarantee you Kim and the rest of the North Koreans know that perfectly well. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/488 "2018-06-11T15:47:54Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > What’s I’d like to see eventually happen: > > 1 ) North Korea showing us something we don’t know about their Nuclear Program. Details, amounts, locations, etc… > > 2 ) Allowing USA inspections, whenever we want them and where ever we want them. > > 3 ) North Korea loosening up their security around the demilitarized zone, and South Korea doing the same. > > 4 ) Eyewitness the destruction of their nuclear weapons and change their plants for power and electricity if possible I predict Kim will sign an agreement to do all these things, and Trump will declare the summit a triumphal success. Then Kim won’t do anything he agreed to. And **Silver lining** will wave his MAGA hat and mindlessly chant “Four more years!” ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/489 "2018-06-11T18:36:24Z")
Kim brought his own toilet with him. He is afraid to let anyone get hold of his waste. Maybe he is worried about DNA being taken. > **[Kim Jong Un brought his own portable toilet to the summit with President Trump](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kim-jong-un-brought-his-own-portable-toilet-to-the-summit-with-president-trump/)** > > In "loo" of using the public restrooms at the historic summit, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un traveled with his own ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/490 "2018-06-11T18:48:09Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Kim brought his own toilet with him. He is afraid to let anyone get hold of his waste. Maybe he is worried about DNA being taken. > > [Kim Jong Un brought his own portable toilet to the summit with President Trump - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kim-jong-un-brought-his-own-portable-toilet-to-the-summit-with-president-trump/) I thought it was part of the Korean catechism that the Kims did not require any bathrooms because they neither shit nor pissed. So Don The Con didn’t feel a need to prepare for the meeting because he’s been preparing all his life. Somehow I’m not optimistic for a breakthrough here. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/491 "2018-06-11T19:42:52Z")
their waste is a combo of gold, silver and diamonds. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/492 "2018-06-12T00:47:32Z")
Hey, rest of the world: Everything is cool, Dennis Rodman has arrived in Singapore! It’s a day for the history books, and of course, Trump’s eternal shitfire legacy. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/493 "2018-06-12T00:57:23Z")
So are there like 50 North Korean missiles pointed at the US, locked and loaded, right now? Must be, because Kim must have left instructions his closest people back home to press the NK version of the button should anything happen to him. Kind of scary. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/494 "2018-06-12T00:58:27Z")
Like what if he randomly has a heart attack or something? We’re probably toast. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/495 "2018-06-12T01:14:25Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Like what if he randomly has a heart attack or something? We’re probably toast. Meh, they can’t reach Arkansas, screw you guys on the West coast. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/496 "2018-06-12T01:17:53Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Meh, they can’t reach Arkansas, screw you guys on the West coast. I’m in NYC, but according to 60 Minutes last night, he could probably hit us too. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/497 "2018-06-12T01:35:45Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I’m in NYC, but according to 60 Minutes last night, he could probably hit us too. Well, crap. I’ve always believed that I’m screwed in nuclear war with the Rooskies by Jacksonville Air Force Base being close. What the hell would NK be shooting at? ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/498 "2018-06-12T01:39:09Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > …What the hell would NK be shooting at? I assume their aim isn’t great so they’d just aim for the middle of the country.😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/499 "2018-06-12T01:45:30Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I assume their aim isn’t great so they’d just aim for the middle of the country.😃 Aw, crap, that is me! ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/500 "2018-06-12T01:47:56Z")
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