# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/561 "2018-06-13T13:56:28Z")
We can _see_ heat? Hooo, doggies! What will they come up with next? Remember Dick Tracy’s two way wrist radio? Soon, you’ll be able to watch bad TV and worse movies on a screen the size of a postage stamp! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/562 "2018-06-13T14:09:52Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > They’re going to make some agreement that does nothing and isn’t enforceable. Trump will claim that he initiated world peace in our time. His supporters will clamor for him to win the Nobel Prize. Rational people will point out that the agreement doesn’t do anything. Trump supporters will yell “fake news”. It’s almost as though this was easy to predict. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/563 "2018-06-13T14:32:30Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Trump says there is [nothing to worry about from North Korea](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/13/trump-says-north-korea-no-longer-a-nuclear-threat.html): Did they bring all the NK nukes back with them on Air Force One? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/564 "2018-06-13T14:39:56Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I’m wondering how this is being presented to North Koreans. They have all been raised from birth to hate the US with a murderous passion. They’ve been told that they have to be poor and hungry because Dear Leader must have weapons to protect them from the most evil country on earth. Kim can’t just change course and announce that we are all friends now. He has to play it that he is calling the shots and the US is capitulating to him or he will lose the power that he needs to make his people accept that their lives suck. I don’t think Trump will be too happy to see it being presented that way but Kim really has no other choice if he wants to retain control. It’s not like he can suddenly make a brainwashed, uneducated populace into productive members of society who understand how foreign policy works. It’s been done before…[World War II political cartoons - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_political_cartoons#/media/File:Davidlowrendezvous.png) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/565 "2018-06-13T14:49:31Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > They were howling for his head at the mere mention of Obama being open to talking to North Korea, but when Trump said that’s what he was going to do suddenly they were all cheering him on. Although I’ve come to expect Republicans to have the consistency of celery broth, this utterly predictable _caca_ still gets under my skin— a bad place for it to be, studies have shown. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/566 "2018-06-13T18:03:28Z")
Four points of the Trump-Kim Declaration: 1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establishing new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. 2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. 3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. 4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. When reporters asked if Kim was prepared to denuclearize, Trump said that they would be “starting that process very quickly.” This isn’t Iran. Iran signed NOTHING, and we gave them billions. Obama didn’t even meet face to face with their leader, did he? Nope No money is changing hands here, North Korea released prisoners without a plane full of cash. Both parties signed the document, putting their reputation in the world on the line. Good work Mr. President. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/567 "2018-06-13T18:09:55Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Four points of the Trump-Kim Declaration: > > 1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establishing new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. > > 2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. > > 3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. > > 4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. > > When reporters asked if Kim was prepared to denuclearize, Trump said that they would be “starting that process very quickly.” > > This isn’t Iran. Iran signed NOTHING, and we gave them billions. Obama didn’t even meet face to face with their leader, did he? Nope > > No money is changing hands here, North Korea released prisoners without a plane full of cash. Both parties signed the document, putting their reputation in the world on the line. > > Good work Mr. President. Congratulations to Kim Jong Un for getting such massive concessions - effusive personal praise from the US president, the legitimacy and pageantry of the photo op and having his flags alongside the stars and stripes, and an end to US - South Korea joint military exercises, all without giving up a single thing. America gets nothing, and Kim gets much of what he’s wanted for many years. Big win for a mass murdering communist dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/568 "2018-06-13T18:10:35Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > They have achieved their goals, which is “a seat at the table”. So, in a sense, we are playing into their hands, if that is your perspective. If news reports are accurate, Trump plans on meeting with Kim Jong-un, which in the old view of these type of things, elevates him on the world stage. > > What ever happened to “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”? The President of the United States has to meet with bad people all of the time. The difference here is Trump set the terms before they meet face to face. Complete denuclearization, and pressed it by saying he will quickly walk if Jon -un isn’t serious, and added more by saying he won’t get a second chance for this. Trump did NOT say he’d meet with someone without unconditionally. That is what Obama said about Iran. Obama did not meet face to face with their supreme leader. He gave them a plane full of cash in exchange for hostages, and billions. No money has changed hands here. If you want the straight dope, North Korea desires to trade and a set the table, as they sit upon an estimated 10 trillion of metals and rare minerals. Trump pressures them. I do believe they fear him a bit. Strength through peace. Liberals if they are being honest hate nuclear weapons and should applaud Trump’s efforts, yet they are not for the most part. A pity, they should hear Obama’s speech in Japan when he says he wishes nations would give them up. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/569 "2018-06-13T18:11:25Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Four points of the Trump-Kim Declaration: > > 1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establishing new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. > > 2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. > > 3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. > > 4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. > > When reporters asked if Kim was prepared to denuclearize, Trump said that they would be “starting that process very quickly.” > > This isn’t Iran. Iran signed NOTHING, and we gave them billions. Obama didn’t even meet face to face with their leader, did he? Nope > > No money is changing hands here, North Korea released prisoners without a plane full of cash. Both parties signed the document, putting their reputation in the world on the line. > > Good work Mr. President. Do you know if North Korea had signed any other agreements in the past involving some other President? And if so, how did that work out? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/570 "2018-06-13T18:28:18Z")
Hint: This one promises \*less \*than they’ve promised before. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/571 "2018-06-13T18:38:04Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > …he will quickly walk if Jon -un isn’t serious… Neither Il Douche or Kim can “quickly walk”. A briskly paced waddle is their personal best, but no more then fifteen steps. Let it be noted that Trump has a very assertive waddle, an alpha waddle. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/572 "2018-06-13T19:27:21Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > …No money is changing hands here… I don’t believe you. It would be completely out of the norm for North Korea to not insist on some form of compensation, even if just to cover the travel costs for the summit. From [here](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-us-is-trying-to-find-a-discreet-way-to-pay-for-kim-jong-uns-hotel-in-singapore/2018/06/01/776055ce-9745-439e-9ee4-c0cef8e81523_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78e887a389a8) > [@Washington Post](#): > > **U.S. seeks discreet way to pay for Kim Jong Un’s hotel during Trump-Kim summit** … > The heavily sanctioned and isolated regime has a long history of making bold monetary demands. > During the 2018 Olympics in PyeongChang, South Korea set aside $2.6 million to cover travel accommodations for a North Korean cheering squad, an art troupe and other members of the visiting delegation. > At the same Games, the International Olympic Committee paid for 22 North Korean athletes to travel to the event. > In 2014, when then-U.S. Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. visited North Korea to retrieve two prisoners, his North Korean hosts served him an “elaborate 12-course Korean meal,” the veteran intelligence official said, but then insisted that he pay for it. > “These norms were laid in the early 2000s, when Seoul’s so-called sunshine policy took off,” said Sung-Yoon Lee, an expert on Korea at Tufts University, referring to a policy of rapprochement associated with former South Korean president Kim Dae-jung. “North Korea can build nukes and ICBMs, but claim they are too poor to pay for foreign travel costs.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/573 "2018-06-13T19:38:29Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I don’t believe you. It would be completely out of the norm for North Korea to not insist on some form of compensation, even if just to cover the travel costs for the summit. From [here](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-us-is-trying-to-find-a-discreet-way-to-pay-for-kim-jong-uns-hotel-in-singapore/2018/06/01/776055ce-9745-439e-9ee4-c0cef8e81523_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78e887a389a8) “In 2014, when then-U.S. Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. visited North Korea to retrieve two prisoners” Who was [President then?](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/17/us/politics/us-intelligence-chief-describes-mission-to-north-korea-to-free-detainees.html) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/574 "2018-06-13T19:44:12Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Four points of the Trump-Kim Declaration: > > \*\*1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establishing new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. > > 1. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. > > 2. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. > > 3. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. \*\* > > When reporters asked if Kim was prepared to denuclearize, Trump said that they would be “starting that process very quickly.” > > This isn’t Iran. Iran signed NOTHING, and we gave them billions. Obama didn’t even meet face to face with their leader, did he? Nope > > No money is changing hands here, North Korea released prisoners without a plane full of cash. Both parties signed the document, putting their reputation in the world on the line. > > Good work Mr. President. Copy/paste [from here.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-agreement-text/trump-and-kims-joint-statement-idUSKBN1J80IU) No atrribution. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/575 "2018-06-13T19:56:16Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Four points of the Trump-Kim Declaration: > > 1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establishing new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. > > 2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. > > 3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. > > 4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. > > When reporters asked if Kim was prepared to denuclearize, Trump said that they would be “starting that process very quickly.” > > This isn’t Iran. Iran signed NOTHING, and we gave them billions. Obama didn’t even meet face to face with their leader, did he? Nope > > No money is changing hands here, North Korea released prisoners without a plane full of cash. Both parties signed the document, putting their reputation in the world on the line. > > Good work Mr. President. What to do, what to do. I see this post with an 11:00am timestamp (PST), [with my note here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21020255&postcount=20)having an 11:48 timestamp. So unless you have a time machine, you couldn’t have seen it before making this post. It would seem unfair to warn you for not being prescient, however there was the issue of the two previous notes [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21007684&postcount=133), and [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21007685&postcount=118). I repeat the instruction from the other thread - link sources if you are going to copy and paste. (again) Do not do this again. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/576 "2018-06-13T20:02:57Z")
All he is saying is give peace a chance! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/577 "2018-06-13T21:04:20Z")
Could a plane full of cash even take off? Where would the pilot sit? And how would he see, with all that cash pressed up against the cockpit windows? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/578 "2018-06-13T21:57:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Copy/paste [from here.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-agreement-text/trump-and-kims-joint-statement-idUSKBN1J80IU) No atrribution. In fairness, these 4 points are actually from the Joint Statement issued by Kim and Trump. He was cut and pasting from any number of [website sources](http://thepinetree.net/new/?p=61193), not necessarily Reuters. This isn’t exactly the same as copying from an editorial or blog. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/579 "2018-06-13T23:40:44Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > “Peace for our time” Peace within our term seems to be the current target. [US wants disarmament from Kim Jong-un’s North Korea within Donald Trump’s current term](http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-14/us-aiming-for-north-korea-disarmament-by-end-donald-trump-term/9868038) “Asked if he would like to accomplish major nuclear disarmament within Mr Trump’s current term (Jan-2021)” > [@Mr Pompeo:](#): > > "Oh yes, most definitively. Absolutely … you used the term major, major disarmament, something like that? We’re hopeful that we can achieve that in the two-and-a-half years. Remind me again, I thought the merkins took that long to fill SCOTUS appointments. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2018, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/580 "2018-06-14T02:58:48Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Four points of the Trump-Kim Declaration: > > 1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establishing new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity. > > 2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. > > 3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. > > 4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate repatriation of those already identified. > > When reporters asked if Kim was prepared to denuclearize, Trump said that they would be “starting that process very quickly.” > > This isn’t Iran. Iran signed NOTHING, and we gave them billions. Obama didn’t even meet face to face with their leader, did he? Nope > > No money is changing hands here, North Korea released prisoners without a plane full of cash. Both parties signed the document, putting their reputation in the world on the line. > > Good work Mr. President. How many times will you spread the “Iran signed nothing” falsehood? At what point is it intentional? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=30)