# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/641 "2018-06-15T17:50:32Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > The USA congress did not vote for it because they knew better, and Obama told them one thing and did something else regarding how Iran accessed funds. Are you familiar with the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015? It not only acknowledges that the agreement exists as a matter of reality, but also stated the opinion of Congress that the agreement was not subject to a vote by Congress in order for the agreement to commence. That is what the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress voted for, and was made law. > [@](#): > > I realize this is heavily Democratic board, but I’m seeing blind political faith trump objective reasoning. You’re basing your reasoning on things that are not facts. That’s your problem right there. I mean, you’re arguing that it isn’t an agreement because there are no signatures, when there are in fact signatures by all parties (see the photo earlier), the Congress has legislated on the matter and about Iran keeping up its end of the bargain, it has been approved by the UN Security Council, all parties have implemented the agreement (even notwithstanding Trump’s stupid withdrawal), and all other parties urging the US to stay in the deal. You might has well be arguing the JCPOA doesn’t exist because it isn’t currently wearing a red MAGA hat. Your views are just that silly. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/642 "2018-06-15T18:32:43Z")
Has Congress voted on this new North Korea deal? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/643 "2018-06-15T18:43:38Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Iran did not halt testing of their long-range missiles, did they? No, they did not. At least North Korea is. What did North Korea sign that stops missile testing? By your reasoning, if they didn’t sign something, _it didn’t happen._ ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/644 "2018-06-15T20:01:28Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Had Obama actually been able to persuade Congress to sign it, and the leader of Iran to sign it, only then could you call it a treaty. You think Trump will get Congress to sign that piece of toilet paper he brought back with him? Actually, unused toilet paper is more valuable than whatever “treaty” the two dictators signed. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/645 "2018-06-15T20:18:22Z")
Let’s play Who’s Who! “Iran signed nothing!” “Yes they did.” “Prove it!” Proof provided. “That’s not who I wanted to sign it, and I’ll ignore any actions, declarations, or laws passed that do not affirm my views that Iran is evil!” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/646 "2018-06-15T21:41:29Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > … > I realize this is heavily Democratic board… > … Not my business, and I apologize if I’m out of line, but I’m curious. Should I read this with a Russian accent? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/647 "2018-06-15T22:43:49Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Not my business, and I apologize if I’m out of line, but I’m curious. Should I read this with a Russian accent? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. That is out of line. Russia supports the JCPOA. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/648 "2018-06-15T22:55:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Not my business, and I apologize if I’m out of line, but I’m curious. Should I read this with a Russian accent? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Kill moose and squirrel! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/649 "2018-06-16T06:32:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Kill moose and squirrel! I’m offended by this statement. Squirrel did nothing, it is moose’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/650 "2018-06-16T12:07:04Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > I’m offended by this statement. Squirrel did nothing, it is moose’s fault. It’s always the moose with you guys, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/651 "2018-06-16T13:46:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It’s always the moose with you guys, isn’t it? Personally I blame Audrey, never trust a plant with such dietary habits. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/652 "2018-06-16T13:59:38Z")
“Moose and plant” just doesn’t have the same ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/653 "2018-06-16T19:47:24Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It’s always the moose with you guys, isn’t it? Little guys do little things. We leave the big things for the big people. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/654 "2018-06-23T01:26:56Z")
[Trump Reaffirms North Korean Nuclear Threat After Saying It Was Gone](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-re-affirms-north-korean-nuclear-threat-after-saying-it-was-gone) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump told Congress in a letter on Friday that North Korea’s “provocative, destabilizing, and repressive actions…continue to constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat” to the United States. The letter, which notes the country’s “pursuit of nuclear and missile programs,” comes just over a week after Trump boasted on Twitter that there “is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.” The Lying Shit Gibbon strikes again! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/655 "2018-06-23T07:03:38Z")
And I was told by someone that this would be the end of North Korea as a threat! Haven’t seen him around this thread, though. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/656 "2018-06-23T07:34:58Z")
From > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [source](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/20/north-korea-announces-end-to-missile-testing-as-trump-cites-big-progress.html) > > I’m rather pleasantly surprised with the progress Trump has made on the North Korean front. This appears, at least to me, to be the most significant progress towards denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula that has made in the last couple of decades. Am I missing something here, or is this good news? To > [@running\_coach](#): > > [Trump Reaffirms North Korean Nuclear Threat After Saying It Was Gone](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-re-affirms-north-korean-nuclear-threat-after-saying-it-was-gone) > > The Lying Shit Gibbon strikes again! So close! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/657 "2018-06-23T08:34:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Trump Reaffirms North Korean Nuclear Threat After Saying It Was Gone](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-re-affirms-north-korean-nuclear-threat-after-saying-it-was-gone) > > The Lying Shit Gibbon strikes again! This isn’t a defense, but I’m sure he never read that letter. It’s also not evident that he read or understood the Singapore declaration. That’s even worse than lying, possibly. The best case scenario, right now, is that Trump knows North Korea isn’t getting rid of the nukes, but is lying about it. If he isn’t lying, the big risk is that he will eventually feel cheated, which will give people like John Bolton and Lindsey Graham the chance to push him toward starting the Asian genocide that the hawks on the right have been pushing for since the 1950s. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/658 "2018-06-23T11:37:27Z")
Honestly, that letter read like he’s going senile. It’s like he doesn’t even remember he had a summit with the guy. In his letter he says “continues”, and then never offers an explanation of why the threat is back on. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/659 "2018-06-23T12:30:53Z")
The [del]John Bolton[/del] above Trump’s signature is a little suspicious too. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/660 "2018-06-23T12:40:48Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Honestly, that letter read like he’s going senile. It’s like he doesn’t even remember he had a summit with the guy. In his letter he says “continues”, and then never offers an explanation of why the threat is back on. That is far more scary than the President being an arrogant, money hungry ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=34)