# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman?

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/841 "2019-05-14T01:56:38Z")

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> [@XT](#):
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> So, they don’t care about our politics but understand them…but are angry when, understanding them but not giving a shit about them it backfires on them when the next president from a different party comes along and, using our system, changes things? That’s pretty interesting logic.
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> As to consequences, what are they, exactly? Sure, North Korea COULD use their nukes…if they want to be completely wiped out. I just don’t see that as something they want. We haven’t really backed them into a corner from which there is no escape, they painted themselves into a corner and are hoping someone will let them out with all their toys intact. Perhaps the next Democratic president will, though unless and until they get Congress on board it’s kind of moot, as another Republican can come in and reverse it again.

Where on earth did you get the idea that North Korea wanted to actually USE their nukes? That’s not at all what I said.

They want to build a nuke program because it is the one thing they can do to put pressure on the US. Let me ask you this: what would happen to US sanctions against Russia if Vladimir Putin decided it was in his interests to start shooting ICBM “tests” over Europe? That would get the US’ attention, would it not? That would scare the shit out of Europe, would it not? It would also be true that the US would NOT think about a preemptive first strike to deal with Russia because it would be understood that any attack would be met with retaliation that could inflict massive damage against us.

That is the point. Not that they would attack us first but that they could cause mischief and raise hell and put pressure on us to remove sanctions. Let me ask you a question: why did the US remove missiles from Turkey in October of 1962?

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/842 "2019-05-14T02:20:10Z")

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> [@asahi](#):
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> Where on earth did you get the idea that North Korea wanted to actually USE their nukes? That’s not at all what I said.

Well, I’m trying to figure out what you are saying. You seem to be talking about how we need to drop the sanctions and stop playing hardball because of the threat, but now you are saying, no, they won’t use them anyway.

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> They want to build a nuke program because it is the one thing they can do to put pressure on the US. Let me ask you this: what would happen to US sanctions against Russia if Vladimir Putin decided it was in his interests to start shooting ICBM “tests” over Europe? That would get the US’ attention, would it not? That would scare the shit out of Europe, would it not? It would also be true that the US would NOT think about a preemptive first strike to deal with Russia because it would be understood that any attack would be met with retaliation that could inflict massive damage against us.

No, there are other things they could do to improve their situation. They don’t NEED to put pressure on the US to do that. In fact, what they have done has been the opposite of putting pressure on the US, since they have managed to alienate pretty much every country on earth to a greater or lesser degree BECAUSE of how they have pursued nukes and other things. This allows the US a free hand to ramp up the pressure, not force us to stop applying it. Think about it…if North Korea was popular and non-threatening then the narrative would be all about the big US bully, and country’s would basically ignore what we are doing and do their own thing. Look at Iran…they aren’t exactly warm and cuddly, yet a lot of country’s ARE ignoring the US on this and sticking to their original agreements.

I’m unsure of what you are getting at with the rest there. The US did put sanctions on Russia, despite them having nukes. And we’ve maintained them. And, frankly, for all their antics, Russia hasn’t been in the same league, provocation wise, as North Korea has been.

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> That is the point. Not that they would attack us first but that they could cause mischief and raise hell and put pressure on us to remove sanctions. Let me ask you a question: why did the US remove missiles from Turkey in October of 1962?

Easy…because we did a secret, under the table deal with the Russians, after forcing them overtly to take their nukes out of Cuba. I don’t think this is applicable to North Korea, though they are free to try and do a big ‘we’ll denuclearize’ in exchange for the US to…do something. Remove our nukes from Guam? Not sure. If there was a deal and North Korea agreed to denuclearize they would get everything they want, after all, which is for the US to remove the sanctions and blocks on them being able to trade freely and expand their economy. But if they don’t, then they basically have to hope that the next US president is a Democrat and willing to do another temporary deal with them until our political worm turns again. If they want a solid, lasting deal, then they will have to give up their nuclear program and missile tests.

Ironically, if they did, it would free up more money they could spend on conventional toys and new re-education camps and the like, because if they didn’t have nukes no one would really care what they do. Look at China.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/843 "2019-05-14T02:23:19Z")

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> [@XT](#):
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> Well, I’m trying to figure out what you are saying. You seem to be talking about how we need to drop the sanctions and stop playing hardball because of the threat, but now you are saying, no, they won’t use them anyway.
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> No, there are other things they could do to improve their situation. They don’t NEED to put pressure on the US to do that. In fact, what they have done has been the opposite of putting pressure on the US, since they have managed to alienate pretty much every country on earth to a greater or lesser degree BECAUSE of how they have pursued nukes and other things. This allows the US a free hand to ramp up the pressure, not force us to stop applying it. Think about it…if North Korea was popular and non-threatening then the narrative would be all about the big US bully, and country’s would basically ignore what we are doing and do their own thing. Look at Iran…they aren’t exactly warm and cuddly, yet a lot of country’s ARE ignoring the US on this and sticking to their original agreements.
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> I’m unsure of what you are getting at with the rest there. The US did put sanctions on Russia, despite them having nukes. And we’ve maintained them. And, frankly, for all their antics, Russia hasn’t been in the same league, provocation wise, as North Korea has been.
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> Easy…because we did a secret, under the table deal with the Russians, after forcing them overtly to take their nukes out of Cuba. I don’t think this is applicable to North Korea, though they are free to try and do a big ‘we’ll denuclearize’ in exchange for the US to…do something. Remove our nukes from Guam? Not sure. If there was a deal and North Korea agreed to denuclearize they would get everything they want, after all, which is for the US to remove the sanctions and blocks on them being able to trade freely and expand their economy. But if they don’t, then they basically have to hope that the next US president is a Democrat and willing to do another temporary deal with them until our political worm turns again. If they want a solid, lasting deal, then they will have to give up their nuclear program and missile tests.
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> Ironically, if they did, it would free up more money they could spend on conventional toys and new re-education camps and the like, because if they didn’t have nukes no one would really care what they do. Look at China.

You don’t understand how any of this works. :rolleyes:

We’re done.

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/844 "2019-05-14T02:23:54Z")

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> [@asahi](#):
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> You don’t understand how any of this works. :rolleyes:
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> We’re done.

Yes, you’ve asserted that masterfully. 😛 No, I’m kidding…you haven’t at all except in your own mind. But sure, we are done. Thanks for playing, here is your board game version of the SDMB and a nice ceramic dog…

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/845 "2019-05-14T02:24:43Z")

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> [@XT](#):
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> Yes, you’ve asserted that masterfully. 😛

Pat yourself on the back, big boy. :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/846 "2019-05-14T02:26:45Z")

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> [@asahi](#):
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> Pat yourself on the back, big boy. :rolleyes:

So…we aren’t done then? 😛 Instead of these silly antics, why not take a shot at an actual argument and discussion? Or, you could come back with calling me chief or something along those lines.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/847 "2019-05-14T02:31:03Z")

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> [@XT](#):
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> So…we aren’t done then? 😛 Instead of these silly antics, why not take a shot at an actual argument and discussion? Or, you could come back with calling me chief or something along those lines.

You’re repeating the same shit over and over again.

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/848 "2019-05-14T02:35:31Z")

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> [@asahi](#):
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> You’re repeating the same shit over and over again.

As are you. Only my shit is consistent and you’ve yet to really rebut it. Mainly, you’ve told me how I don’t understand…a theme you’ve repeated several times. You haven’t actually tried, that I can see, to address my own points. I have, actually, tried to address yours, though obviously not to your satisfaction. I understand that we look at this completely different, since we are in similar discussions across multiple threads with this same theme right now. But it could be a rational and measured discussion. You just don’t seem to want that. Shrug. That’s fine, I’m good for just agreeing to disagree, or you going off in a huff or whatever.

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**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/849 "2019-05-14T18:36:45Z")

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**asahi** and **XT** , unless you have factual information supporting logical arguments, just drop the exchange and knock it off with the personal jabs. It is going to get one or both of you Warnings if this keeps up. And yes, I recognize that one of you is behaving slightly more in good faith, but you both keep throwing out the personal digs. Stop it.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/850 "2019-07-23T03:19:03Z")

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> **[Kim inspects new sub, wants North Korea's military bolstered](https://apnews.com/article/d8ef1cc094504d05ba4222e5689efb17)**
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> SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has inspected a newly built submarine and ordered officials to further bolster the country's military capabilities, state media reported Tuesday, as the North increases pressure on the United...

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> North Korea leader Kim Jong Un has inspected a newly built submarine and ordered officials to further bolster the country’s military capability, state media reported Tuesday, as the North is increasing its pressure on the United States ahead of the possible resumption of nuclear diplomacy.
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> Last week, North Korea said it may lift its 20-month suspension of nuclear and missile tests to protest expected military drills between the United States and South Korea that North Korea views as an invasion rehearsal.
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> The Korean Central News Agency reported Kim expressed “great satisfaction” with the submarine after learning about its operational and tactical data and weapon systems.
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> Kim “stressed the need to steadily and reliably increase the national defense capability by directing big efforts to the development of the naval weapons and equipment such as submarine,” according to KCNA.
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> KCNA didn’t say exactly when and where Kim’s inspection of the submarine occurred. It said the submarine’s operational deployment “is near at hand.”

Also, this happened today: [South Korea fires warning shots at Russia warplanes](https://apnews.com/a7b5969087e7408baaa65a0e4f16968c)

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> South Korea says it has fired warning shots after Russian military planes entered South Korea’s airspace.
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> South Korea’s Defense Ministry says multiple Russian military planes violated the South Korean airspace off its east coast on Tuesday.
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> The ministry says South Korea launched fighter jets and that they fired warning shots.
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> It says Chinese military planes also intruded into South Korea’s aerial identification zone on Tuesday.
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> The ministry gave no further details.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/851 "2019-07-23T05:46:15Z")

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Where’s the OP to tell us how much winning we are having now?

Trump and Kim. Just a bump in the Love Story path.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/852 "2019-07-23T06:02:30Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> [Kim inspects new sub, wants North Korea's military bolstered | AP News](https://apnews.com/d8ef1cc094504d05ba4222e5689efb17)
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> Also, this happened today: [South Korea fires warning shots at Russia warplanes](https://apnews.com/a7b5969087e7408baaa65a0e4f16968c)

I fully expect Ravenman to come on and complain about North Korea’s…“stupid” and 'reckless" “escalations”. :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/853 "2019-07-23T12:59:06Z")

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> [@asahi](#):
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> I fully expect Ravenman to come on and complain about North Korea’s…“stupid” and 'reckless" “escalations”. :rolleyes:

Even without post #855, this would be not appropriate. If you have a problem with another poster, take it to the Pit. Do not carry some grudge from thread to thread.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/854 "2019-07-24T02:27:20Z")

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> **[North Korea just revealed one of its most potentially dangerous weapons yet](https://www.vox.com/2019/7/23/20707177/north-korea-submarine-nuclear-weapon-trump)**
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> The revelation is clearly a message for Trump.

The real story: North Korea now has a sub that has the capacity to carry and launch nuclear weapons.

All of the evidence the last few days, weeks, months and beyond, from Iran to North Korea, supports my hypotheses, which is that bellicosity is a response to American-imposed sanctions and that militarism isn’t really a desire for conflict with the US but rather, a form of counter-pressure. If we at least hold out the possibility that we can suspend sanctions while we negotiate, we might get somewhere. But the American foreign policy playbook, which posters like XT and Ravenman apparently subscribe to, stipulates that Americans can only talk and sanctions can only be removed when the opposition is so weakened, so prostrate that it begs to come to the table. My assertion is that other countries have learned from the lesson of Iraq: don’t be the sucker that falls for American pledges to act in good faith. Come to the negotiating table with some real power and real counter-pressure in hand.

I’m right, and every poster here knows it

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**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/855 "2019-07-24T20:08:06Z")

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Speaking of North Korea, let’s see Trump work his deal making magic with this one:

> **[Russia accuses N. Korea of detaining fishing boat and crew: RIA](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-russia-ship/russia-accuses-n-korea-of-detaining-fishing-boat-and-crew-ria-idUSKCN1UJ0H4?il=0)**
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> Russia on Wednesday accused North Korea of illegally detaining one of its fishing vessels and said it would freeze talks with Pyongyang on fisheries cooperation until the issue was resolved, the RIA news agency reported.

“OK, which side here wants to declare bankruptcy? That’s how I roll!”

MOSCOW/SEOUL (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday accused North Korea of illegally detaining one of its fishing vessels and said it would freeze talks with Pyongyang on fisheries cooperation until the issue was resolved, the RIA news agency reported.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/856 "2019-07-24T21:38:27Z")

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> [@bobot](#):
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> Speaking of North Korea, let’s see Trump work his deal making magic with this one:  
> [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-russia-ship/russia-accuses-n-korea-of-detaining-fishing-boat-and-crew-ria-idUSKCN1UJ0H4?il=0](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-russia-ship/russia-accuses-n-korea-of-detaining-fishing-boat-and-crew-ria-idUSKCN1UJ0H4?il=0)  
> “OK, which side here wants to declare bankruptcy? That’s how I roll!”
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> MOSCOW/SEOUL (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday accused North Korea of illegally detaining one of its fishing vessels and said it would freeze talks with Pyongyang on fisheries cooperation until the issue was resolved, the RIA news agency reported.

My guess is that Russian fishermen were probably aggressively fishing in areas that North Korea considers to be its own turf and North Korea wanted to send a message to the sailors, not so much Russia generally. It would be in North Korea’s interests not to piss off Russia, considering how they need Russia’s helping in softening the blow of US sanctions.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/857 "2019-07-25T00:22:32Z")

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[SKorea says NKorea fires 2 unidentified projectiles into sea](https://apnews.com/55d58c1913a74f2d8b386abcd7d1a79f)

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> North Korea fired two unidentified projectiles into the sea on Thursday, South Korea’s military said, the first launches in more than two months as North Korean and U.S. officials work to restart nuclear diplomacy.
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> The South’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said the projectiles were fired from the eastern coastal town of Wonsan and flew 430 kilometers (267 miles). It wasn’t immediately known what type of projectiles North Korea fired. But in the past, such launches have involved missiles or artillery.

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> A senior U.S. official said the Trump administration was aware of the reports of a “short-range projectile launched from North Korea.” The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to provide a response, said the administration had no further comment at this time.
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> It was the first such launches since Seoul said North Korea fired three short-range missiles off its east coast in early May.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/858 "2019-07-25T23:26:24Z")

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[North Korea says missile test was “solemn warning” to South](https://apnews.com/55d58c1913a74f2d8b386abcd7d1a79f)

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> A day after two North Korean missile launches rattled Asia, the nation said Friday it had tested a “new-type tactical guided weapon” that was meant as a “solemn warning” about South Korean weapons development and its plan to hold military exercises.
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> The message, which was carried on state media and released in the name of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, was directed at “South Korean military warmongers” and came as U.S. and North Korean officials struggle to set up talks after a recent meeting on the Korean border between Kim and U.S. President Donald Trump seemed to provide a breakthrough in stalled nuclear negotiations.

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> It made clear, however, that North Korea is infuriated over U.S.-South Korean plans to hold military drills that the North says are invasion rehearsals and proof of the allies’ hostility to Pyongyang.
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> It was also gloating at times, saying that the test “must have given uneasiness and agony to some targeted forces enough as it intended.”

Trump sure is winning this situation, eh. :dubious::rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/859 "2019-07-26T01:48:14Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> [North Korea says missile test was “solemn warning” to South](https://apnews.com/55d58c1913a74f2d8b386abcd7d1a79f)Trump sure is winning this situation, eh. :dubious::rolleyes:

The good news is if there’s a war with Iran, everybody will forget about North Korea for a while.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/860 "2019-07-26T01:56:38Z")

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Not the people who live in South Korea.

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