# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/901 "2019-09-10T10:25:05Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Kim realizes that 2020 is coming and Trump is desperate diplomatic victory, any diplomatic victory, in order to support the notion that he is a master negotiator. All the leverage is on Kim’s side and he knows it. All he has to do is promise not to do any testing until November 4th 2020 and Trump will give him anything he wants. Yes, not only have NK been given the upper hand in these discussions for the first time, they’re openly flaunting it. Trump is now officially Kim’s bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/902 "2019-09-10T13:28:37Z")
Trump is now officially Kim’s [_pussy ass bitch_](https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914), I think you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/903 "2019-09-10T14:01:18Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Trump is now officially Kim’s [_pussy ass bitch_](https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914), I think you mean. I thought there was a difference between a “pussy” and an “ass” but apparently there taint. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/904 "2019-09-10T16:46:04Z")
[Trevor Noah explains](https://youtu.be/UsTHMCWPA7A?t=130). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/905 "2019-09-23T22:43:34Z")
[Trump and his bestie planning another playdate?](https://apnews.com/2532fd1244ab42bcb69b5442841fe2cd). Also, Trump lies about the situation: > [@](#): > > As he arrived at the U.N. for the start of the annual General Assembly of world leaders, Trump responded to a question about when he planned to meet with Kim, saying, “It could happen soon. It could happen soon.” > > In comments during a later meeting, Trump said of North Korean diplomacy: “It’s moving along pretty well, actually.” Sure it is- for North Korea: > [@](#): > > In recent days, however, North Korea has praised Trump for saying Washington may pursue an unspecified “new method” in nuclear negotiations as well as for his decision to fire his hawkish former National Security Adviser John Bolton. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/906 "2019-10-02T19:44:06Z")
11th missile test this year: > **[North Korea May Have Taken Step Toward Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile](https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/766324902/north-korea-missile-test-may-have-been-launched-from-a-submarine)** > > The ballistic missile traveled about 280 miles, landing in the Sea of Japan. If capable of submarine launch it would represent a significant advance in North Korea's missile program. Definitely statesman. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/907 "2019-10-05T21:04:06Z")
Trump got played by Kim Jong-un - [US, North Korea break off nuclear talks after months of negotiations](https://thehill.com/policy/international/464509-us-north-korea-break-off-nuclear-talks-report?__twitter_impression=true) (_The Hill_): > [@](#): > > U.S. and North Korean negotiators broke off high-level nuclear talks after months of negotiations between the two countries. > > Reuters reported Saturday that North Korea’s top official present for negotiations with the U.S. told reporters that the U.S. had brought nothing to the table for the latest round of talks. > > “The negotiations have not fulfilled our expectation and finally broke off,” Kim Myong Gil said. > > “The U.S. raised expectations by offering suggestions like a flexible approach, new method and creative solutions, but they have disappointed us greatly and dampened our enthusiasm for negotiation by bringing nothing to the negotiation table,” he added, according to Reuters. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/908 "2019-10-05T22:11:38Z")
> **[North Korea decries breakdown of talks US says were 'good'](https://apnews.com/article/c66474b67b3e41cdad6d21ba3385ddc2)** > > HELSINKI (AP) — North Korea's chief negotiator said that nuclear talks with the U.S. had broken down, but Washington maintained the two sides had "good discussions" in Sweden that it intends to build on in two weeks. > [@](#): > > North Korea’s chief negotiator said Saturday that discussions with the U.S. on Pyongyang’s nuclear program have broken down, but Washington said the two sides had “good discussions” that it intends to build on in two weeks. > > The North Korean negotiator, Kim Miyong Gil, said the talks in Stockholm had “not fulfilled our expectations and broke down. I am very displeased about it.” Speaking outside the North Korean Embassy, he read a statement in Korean that a translator next to him read in English. > > Kim said negotiations broke down “entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude.” This contrasts greatly with > [@](#): > > State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said Kim’s comments did “not reflect the content or the spirit” of the “good discussions” that took place over eight-and-a-half hours, adding that the U.S. accepted an invitation from Sweden to return to Stockholm in two weeks to continue discussions. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/909 "2019-10-06T00:57:25Z")
They can have all the discussions they want: all indications are that North Korea has the ability (perhaps crude) to launch nukes from subs. Trump’s “deal making” has allowed something to happen that I thought the US would never allow, which is to allow NK the ability to hit the US mainland with nukes. Yes, if NK actually launched so much as one in our direction, it would be bad for NK, but let’s say NK can credibly put on the table the ability to hit every major American metropolitan area with a nuke: what leverage does the US have then? What can the US do to stop NK then? How can they credibly “protect” Japan and South Korea then? Answer is, they can’t do that any more than we could “protect” Europe against an all out Soviet attack. What this means is that we’re very close to the point at which NK can do whatever it wants to terrorize its neighbors with impunity. If the Russians invade Eastern Europe, there’s nothing we can do about that militarily - nothing at all. Same with North Korea if they terrorize their Asian neighbors by shooting missiles over Japan and South Korea, which they will continue to do **until the sanctions are lifted.** Hellooooooo?! That’s exactly what the fuck I’ve been trying to explain all along. And that’s also why Iran is going to take a page out of North Korea’s playbook, and not Iraq’s. They’re going to escalate and harass, and be a pain in our ass. There’s no reward for capitulation; the reward comes from successfully putting pressure on the US and allies, and making them pay prices they don’t want to pay. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/910 "2019-10-06T18:58:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > [One suspects he has other reasons](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/china-contributing-500-million-trump-linked-project-indonesia/) for suddenly declaring that he’s going to use the US Commerce Department to bring jobs back to a Chinese firm that is only losing jobs because it’s banned from using US parts after violating sanctions by selling US products to Iran and North Korea. > > Trump is “winning”, in the sense that he is personally making a lot of money while screwing over America and Americans in a dozen different ways. I think that’s a reasonable thing to worry about. A more reasonable thing to get at might be that this is how our economic system works. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/911 "2019-10-06T19:16:35Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They can have all the discussions they want: all indications are that North Korea has the ability (perhaps crude) to launch nukes from subs. > > Trump’s “deal making” has allowed something to happen that I thought the US would never allow, which is to allow NK the ability to hit the US mainland with nukes. Yes, if NK actually launched so much as one in our direction, it would be bad for NK, but let’s say NK can credibly put on the table the ability to hit every major American metropolitan area with a nuke: what leverage does the US have then? What can the US do to stop NK then? How can they credibly “protect” Japan and South Korea then? > > Answer is, they can’t do that any more than we could “protect” Europe against an all out Soviet attack. What this means is that we’re very close to the point at which NK can do whatever it wants to terrorize its neighbors with impunity. If the Russians invade Eastern Europe, there’s nothing we can do about that militarily - nothing at all. Same with North Korea if they terrorize their Asian neighbors by shooting missiles over Japan and South Korea, which they will continue to do **until the sanctions are lifted.** > > Hellooooooo?! That’s exactly what the fuck I’ve been trying to explain all along. > > And that’s also why Iran is going to take a page out of North Korea’s playbook, and not Iraq’s. They’re going to escalate and harass, and be a pain in our ass. There’s no reward for capitulation; the reward comes from successfully putting pressure on the US and allies, and making them pay prices they don’t want to pay. Can we assume, for the sake of discussion here, that we’re all aware that the US sold nuclear reactors to NK a mere 2 years before we placed them on an “axis of evil” list? And that they were sold from a company Don Rumsfeld had once sat on the board of directors of? And that this was an utterly bipartisan move/plan/program having been initiated during the Clinton administration and wrapped up under the Bush administration? And that we all helped fund NK’s purchase of these nuclear reactors? **The two faces of Rumsfeld** - 2000: director of a company which wins $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea - 2002: declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change **Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea** > **[Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea - SWI swissinfo.ch](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-politics/rumsfeld-was-on-abb-board-during-deal-with-north-korea/3176922)** > > Weapons experts say waste material from the two reactors could be used for so-called “dirty bombs”. The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million (SFr270million)... As for Iran, we all get that the US toppled Iran’s duly democratically elected govt to insert one of our own choosing, no? I cannot imagine why Iran would be so hostile to US for no reason like that. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/912 "2019-10-06T19:25:13Z")
That’s interesting info, and part of a long history of carrots and sticks as US policy evolved (as it did toward a young Ho Chi Minh, a young-to-middle-aged Saddam Hussein, etc., etc.)…but it’s not particularly relevant to current policy decisions. You have posted in several threads today, all with the same message: “EVERYONE sucks, and they always have!”. It could be a coincidence. It seems you are trying to get people to be cynical toward all people in power. There’s some value in this, but given the current impeachment crisis in the US executive branch, it looks suspiciously like you have an ulterior motive. I will say no more — I shouldn’t be junior modding. But your repeated theme is a derailment (in some threads more than in others). I humbly suggest you start a thread called something like “Everyone in power has behaved badly,” and concentrate your efforts there. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/913 "2019-10-06T19:40:07Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > That’s interesting info, and part of a long history of carrots and sticks as US policy evolved (as it did toward a young Ho Chi Minh, a young-to-middle-aged Saddam Hussein, etc., etc.)…but it’s not particularly relevant to current policy decisions. > > You have posted in several threads today, all with the same message: “EVERYONE sucks, and they always have!”. It could be a coincidence. It seems you are trying to get people to be cynical toward all people in power. There’s some value in this, but given the current impeachment crisis in the US executive branch, it looks suspiciously like you have an ulterior motive. > > I will say no more — I shouldn’t be junior modding. But your repeated theme is a derailment (in some threads more than in others). I humbly suggest you start a thread called something like “Everyone in power has behaved badly,” and concentrate your efforts there. I’ll never understand why some folks are so nervous about discussions. And that’s all this is. You’re nervous about what I’m posting, what, not the acceptable “left” partisanshithead versus “right” patisanshithead hissyfitting? Where oh where to find a safe space. I rather think the “message” is a tad over your head/outside your acceptable lines. If you can create some problems for me here by tattling, go ahead. Life will go on, somehow, glad to have rattled your cage. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/914 "2019-10-06T19:47:06Z")
Hah! Nothing rattled here, as you know. I think it’s a fine discussion to have. Just not in threads about other subjects. I admit your theme is POTENTIALLY relevant in this thread, if you had connected (even in an abstract, comparative sense) the Clinton and Rumsfeld policies to the ones today. But since you’ve also “contributed” to at least one thread today as a total hijack (the “advice to Pelosi” one), it’s hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/915 "2019-10-06T19:54:19Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Hah! Nothing rattled here, as you know. I think it’s a fine discussion to have. Just not in threads about other subjects. I admit your theme is POTENTIALLY relevant in this thread, if you had connected (even in an abstract, comparative sense) the Clinton and Rumsfeld policies to the ones today. But since you’ve also “contributed” to at least one thread today as a total hijack (the “advice to Pelosi” one), it’s hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. Right, totally unrattled. I can’t believe they let me post here without securing your permission first. [This post has not been approved by JKellyMap] ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/916 "2019-10-07T05:34:57Z")
I’ve not visited this thread for a while. (I already have my own nightmares, but thanks anyway.) > [@Fentoine\_Lum](#): > > Can we assume, for the sake of discussion here, that we’re all aware that the US sold nuclear reactors to NK a mere 2 years before we placed them on an “axis of evil” list? And that they were sold from a company Don Rumsfeld had once sat on the board of directors of? Assume it if you wish, but I didn’t know until you pointed it out. (Some things that disturb my peace of mind I’d rather _not_ know.) > [@asahi](#): > > They can have all the discussions they want: all indications are that North Korea has the ability (perhaps crude) to launch nukes from subs. > > Trump’s “deal making” has allowed something to happen that I thought the US would never allow, which is to allow NK the ability to hit the US mainland with nukes. Yes, if NK actually launched so much as one in our direction, it would be bad for NK, but let’s say NK can credibly put on the table the ability to hit every major American metropolitan area with a nuke: what leverage does the US have then? What can the US do to stop NK then? How can they credibly “protect” Japan and South Korea then? > … we’re very close to the point at which NK can do whatever it wants to terrorize its neighbors with impunity. If the Russians invade Eastern Europe, there’s nothing we can do about that militarily - nothing at all. Same with North Korea if they terrorize their Asian neighbors by shooting missiles over Japan and South Korea, which they will continue to do **until the sanctions are lifted.** > > Hellooooooo?! That’s exactly what the fuck I’ve been trying to explain all along. > > And that’s also why Iran is going to take a page out of North Korea’s playbook, and not Iraq’s. They’re going to escalate and harass, and be a pain in our ass. There’s no reward for capitulation; the reward comes from successfully putting pressure on the US and allies, and making them pay prices they don’t want to pay. So. On HD’s question “Trump the statesman?” should we put you down as a “No”? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/917 "2019-10-07T12:11:53Z")
> [@Fentoine\_Lum](#): > > A more reasonable thing to get at might be that this is how our economic system works. Yes, but this isn’t how our **political** system is supposed to work. In fact, using one’s political office to personally profit is usually seen as a textbook definition of “corruption” (and is one of the reasons behind the Emoluments clause). ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/918 "2019-10-07T17:50:11Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, but this isn’t how our **political** system is supposed to work. In fact, using one’s political office to personally profit is usually seen as a textbook definition of “corruption” (and is one of the reasons behind the Emoluments clause). Agreed, the illusion and imprinting is very different than the objective reality around us. George Washington engaged in this sort of thing as well. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/919 "2019-10-08T04:11:41Z")
[North Korea adopts an extremely strong public stance today](https://apnews.com/e827c75f679949428c5c3d075b0592d7): > [@](#): > > North Korea on Monday denounced a scheduled U.N. Security Council discussion of its latest test of an underwater-launched ballistic missile, calling it “dangerous” and saying it will increase “our desire to defend our sovereignty.” > > The council scheduled closed consultations Tuesday on recent North Korean tests at the request of the United Kingdom, France and Germany. > > North Korea’s U.N. Ambassador Kim Song told several reporters Monday the United States is “behind the impure moves” of the three countries, saying the meeting would not take place without the consent of the Trump administration. > > Weekend discussions between senior U.S. and North Korean officials in Stockholm broke down amid acrimony. The talks were the first since the second summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un collapsed in Vietnam in February due to squabbling over how much sanctions relief should be given to the North in return for dismantling its main nuclear complex. > > Pyongyang’s chief nuclear negotiator Kim Myong Gil told reporters at Beijing’s airport on his way home Monday that “whether or not there are further talks will depend on the U.S.” He described talks with his U.S. counterpart, Stephen Biegun, on Saturday as “very bad and sickening,” and stressed that the U.S .had “not presented any new initiative.” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/920 "2019-11-01T20:50:58Z")
More missile testing from NK: > **[North Korea says it test-fired new multiple rocket launcher](https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-says-it-test-fired-new-multiple-rocket-launcher)** > > North Korea confirmed Friday it conducted its third test-firing of a new "super-large" multiple rocket launcher that it says expands its ability to destroy enemy targets in surprise attacks. Yeah, that’s a Fox news link. Sorry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=47)