# North Korea suspending missile testing and closing nuclear site; Trump the statesman? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829 "2018-04-20T23:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/1021 "2020-06-18T13:22:58Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Protip: Germany hasnt been fascist since 1945 nor is it a militarist Keynesian state…whatever that is. Fully aware of that fact, but depending on how one looks at it, “Germany” has been in existence in one form or another since at least the late 1200s or early 1300s. So if you’re going to pluck out a ten year period, you might want to make the time you’re referring to a little less vague. You mentioned Hitler, so I could be forgiven that you were referring to the late Weimar and early Nazi era, if one concludes that Nazi German domination of Europe might have qualified in the eyes of some as “leadership.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/1022 "2020-06-18T14:55:09Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Here: I don’t see anything contradicting my cite which says: > [@](#): > > Implementation of the agreement was troubled from the start, but its key elements were being implemented until it effectively broke down in 2003. When come back, bring substance. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/1023 "2020-06-18T17:30:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I don’t see anything contradicting my cite which says: When come back, bring substance. Its key provisions were being implemented but not in ways that were satisfying North Korea. [https://web.archive.org/web/20071122140941/http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune\_archive/2003/05/12/342316/](https://web.archive.org/web/20071122140941/http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/05/12/342316/) > [@](#): > > The Republicans attacked the deal from the start, particularly after gaining control of Congress in 1994. “The Agreed Framework was a political orphan within two weeks after its signature,” says Stephen Bosworth, KEDO’s first executive director and a former U.S. ambassador to South Korea. > [@](#): > > By 1998 a debate was raging in Washington about the initiative, and the delays were infuriating Pyongyang. Inspectors could no longer verify North Korea’s nuclear material inventory. > **[Foreign Affairs - Time To Leave Korea? - Selig S. Harrison](https://web.archive.org/web/20090301161804/http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20010301faessay4263/selig-s-harrison/time-to-leave-korea.html)** > > After the historic summit between Pyongyang and Seoul last June, the Koreas could be on their way to eventual reunification. To ensure such progress, Washington should consider making military and economic concessions -- including the possible... > [@](#): > > Pyongyang agreed to the freeze primarily because Washington pledged in return to phase out economic sanctions against the North that had been in place since the Korean War. But President Bill Clinton, **faced with congressional opposition** , failed to deliver on his part of the bargain. In late 1998, while continuing to honor the 1994 accord, **Kim Jong Il staged a long-range missile test to force new negotiations**. In response, Clinton sent former Secretary of Defense William Perry to Pyongyang to seek a broader settlement embracing both nuclear- and missile-related issues. > > The resulting agreement on September 17, 1999, provided for the relaxation of “most” U.S. sanctions in exchange for a temporary North Korean moratorium on missile testing. **North Korea honored this moratorium, but once again the White House, still under pressure from Congress,** failed to ease the sanctions, many of which can be abolished by executive order. Again, it’s clear what Clinton wanted to do, and it’s equally clear that the Republicans were opposed to it. You could certainly argue that Clinton could have given temporary relief through executive orders, but had he done that, the Republicans would have had weapons of their own, including cutting off funding for the implementation of the agreement entirely. What’s clear is that a president can’t just always execute policy on his own. He can do a lot in terms of symbolic importance, and he can unilaterally execute US foreign policy in the near term. But if any policy is truly to have any staying power, there has to be bipartisan support for it. So we come back to my point: without bipartisan support, without support from congress, presidential power has limits. Allies aren’t going to just forget about the preceding 4 years if Biden wins. That’s our wish, but that’s not reality. And that’s because they’ve been alarmed by what they’ve been seeing for at least the past 20 years, not just the past 4. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/1024 "2020-10-11T03:56:08Z")
Trump’s diplomacy now gives us this: > **[North Korea unveils new weapons at military parade](https://apnews.com/article/seoul-south-korea-north-korea-parades-kim-il-sung-7546d192ecb97af563e797006684bb17)** > > SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un warned that his country would “fully mobilize” its nuclear force if threatened as he took center stage at a military parade that unveiled what appeared to be a new intercontinental ballistic... ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829/1025 "2020-10-11T05:00:51Z")
That is one sweet TEL-mounted ICBM. I love the things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-korea-suspending-missile-testing-and-closing-nuclear-site-trump-the-statesman/812829.md?page=51)