# North/South/East/West \[city name\], but a different city than \[city name\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958 "2024-07-29T16:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/101 "2024-07-30T18:53:03Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > In the Philly suburbs there are two Upper Providence Townships, one in Montgomery County and one in Delaware County. There is only one Lower Providence Township, adjacent to the Upper Providence in Montco. Nether Providence is adjacent to Upper Providence in Delco. There’s also Upper & Lower Merion, Upper & Lower Moreland, & Upper & Lower Salford, as well as an Upper but **no** Lower Dublin > [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Almost as confusing as the two Springfield Townships in the Philly suburbs, one each again in Montco and Delco. Plus the seven other Springfield Townships throughout the state. There’s also one in Bucks, which makes a Springfield Township in three of the four counties surrounding Philadelphia. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/102 "2024-07-30T18:58:26Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > > [@RealityChuck](#): > > > > However, Northampton is two states away in Massachusetts. > > There’s also Easthampton, Massachusetts, which is southwest of Northampton And near Westhampton and Southampton. No plain “Hampton”, though. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/103 "2024-07-30T19:04:49Z")
New Jersey has Upper Saddle River, which is both north and upriver of Saddle River. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/104 "2024-07-30T19:23:11Z")
New Jersey also has a Lower Township, a Middle Township and an Upper Township. Between those three townships they cover most of the land in Cape May County. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/105 "2024-07-31T00:10:40Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > there is also a South Boston, VA That’s the one I opened the thread to mention. You beat me to it! ---
**Author:** ![J.1.3235](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/db5fbb/32.png) [@J.1.3235](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/J.1.3235)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/106 "2024-07-31T00:13:16Z")
I can see why you would believe it to be separate towns; other than the Landing, each are had it’s own Square-North has Bicknell Square, East has Jackson Square, South is Colombian Square. Each, including the Landing, with their own Post Office. I was disappointed to see the Base close in 1995, I rather enjoyed hearing the planes come and go. I also enjoyed meeting kids from other states while attending school. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/107 "2024-07-31T00:14:40Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > And Hampton, NY is a few hundred miles away on the Vermont border. And Hampton, VA is even further away. And Bristol, CT is a long way from Bristol, TN where the motor speedway is. But Bristol, VA is directly adjacent to Bristol, TN: one city straddling a state line. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/108 "2024-07-31T12:06:34Z")
> [@J.1.3235](#): > > I was disappointed to see the Base close in 1995, I rather enjoyed hearing the planes come and go. I also enjoyed meeting kids from other states while attending school. Interesting. My eldest had problems with the local kids at school, and my impression of local people was that they tolerated the base, but weren’t happy with it; something about a drunk military man who years earlier had struck and killed a local. My only real complaint about the place was the really crappy on-base housing. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Mark\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mark_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/109 "2024-07-31T23:58:13Z")
Plattsburgh NY still retains its “h”. Are periods discouraged in US place names - e.g. St. Albans VT (or many other “saintly” places)? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/110 "2024-08-01T00:11:13Z")
> [@Mark\_Finn](#): > > Are periods discouraged in US place names - e.g. St. Albans VT (or many other “saintly” places)? Not officially, but lots of people have stopped using periods on abbreviations in recent times. It wasn’t something people did when the Board on Geographic Names first began (1894). They stopped doing the truncation of -burgh and -borough long ago and even have let a number of places revert to their original spelling. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/111 "2024-08-02T01:04:54Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > May be a topic for another thread - cities with N/S/E/W and have a larger population than the source city? North Carolina has Wilkesboro, population 3687, and North Wilkesboro, population 4382. Neither is particularly big, but North Wilkesboro is the larger community. Its claim to fame is that it was the birthplace of Lowe’s Home Improvement and former location of its corporate headquarters, and it’s considered one of the birthplaces of NASCAR. Regular Wilkesboro still gets to be the county seat. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/112 "2024-08-02T02:10:20Z")
One I coincidentally saw the other day. In Vermont there’s: Brattleboro, a town (New England definition) West Brattleboro, a CDP Brattleboro, another CDP that’s basically the populated area of Bratteboro ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/113 "2024-08-04T23:36:26Z")
Achiet-le-Petit is a village 13 miles S. of Arras, France. (pop. 310) Achiet-le-Grand (pop. 965) is about a mile E. of it. Both were fought over. _Twenty Years After_, a magazine about the WW1 battlefields published in the 1930s, subsequently turned into three books, noted that Achiet-le-Petit was actually bigger than Achiet-le-Grand, but a century later that seems to have been reversed. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/114 "2024-08-04T23:40:40Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > West Wendover, Nevada, is adjacent to Wendover, Utah. That was the example I came to contribute. I’ve been there. You can see the partition because once you cross into Utah, all the casinos dry up. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/115 "2024-08-05T02:25:13Z")
That reminds me of West Yellowstone, MT. ---
**Author:** ![pirviii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pirviii/32/3233_2.png) [@pirviii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pirviii)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/116 "2024-08-05T04:10:54Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > You can see the partition because once you cross into Utah, all the casinos dry up. There was a line in the parking lot just past the casinos where one side said Nevada and the other Utah. My kids got a kick out of it,our car was parked in a different state than our hotel. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/117 "2024-08-05T16:44:45Z")
A bunch of cities are split across two different jurisdictions, but in that case it’s not usually an instance of North/South/East/West, especially if it is really one city (except for the international border running through it…) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/118 "2024-08-05T17:28:38Z")
There are a number of places where two adjacent towns on opposite sides of a border have the same name. Here’s a list (possibly incomplete) of those from North America where both towns are incorporated. There are others where one or both are not incorporated. There are more in other parts of the world. Anthony NM/TX Ardmore AL/TN Bluefield VA/WV Bristol TN/VA Delmar DE/MD Junction City AR/LA Kansas City KS/MO Lloydminster AB/SK Canada Niagara Falls ON/NY Canada/USA Nogales AZ/Sonora USA/Mexico Sault Sainte Marie ON/MI Canada/USA Texarkana AR/TX Texhoma TX/OK Union City IN/OH ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958/119 "2024-08-05T17:29:41Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > A bunch of cities are split across two different jurisdictions I’m not really sure what this means - usually, it’s actually two different cities with the same name in two jurisdictions. There are certainly a lot of things they have in common but as far as I can tell not any more than two adjacent cities with the different names in different jurisdictions. Nobody ever refers to Derby Line ,Vermont and Stanstead, Canada as a single city with an international border running through it. ---
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> [@Loach](#): > > In New Jersey there are cities/ municipalities of Orange. East Orange, West Orange and South Orange. There is no North Orange. > > Similarly there is a New Brunswick, North Brunswick, East Brunswick and South Brunswick. There is no West Brunswick. > [@gkster](#): > > Orange NJ is surrounded by East Orange, South Orange and West Orange. Looking at the map, West Orange should more accurately be named Northwest Orange. I’d like to chime in and clarify that South Orange (pop 18,000), East Orange (pop 70,000), West Orange (pop 49,000), and Orange (pop 34,000) each are self governing with their own mayor. They are all located in Essex County, NJ. I see from wiki that, “Orange was initially part of the city of Newark, but it was originally known as “Newark Mountains”. On June 7, 1780, the townspeople of Newark Mountains officially voted to adopt the name Orange. At the time, a significant number of people favored secession from Newark. This did not occur until November 27, 1806, when the territory now encompassing all of the Oranges was finally detached.” The precise origins of the name “South Orange” are apparently lost to the mists of time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/north-south-east-west-city-name-but-a-different-city-than-city-name/1004958.md?page=7)