# Nostradamus, Lonesome Dove, History Channel

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**Created:** [January 27, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nostradamus-lonesome-dove-history-channel/435243 "2008-01-27T22:35:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![DocA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@DocA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocA)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nostradamus-lonesome-dove-history-channel/435243/1 "2008-01-27T22:35:57Z")

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I watched a TV program on The History Channel last night about Nostradamus.

When they were talking about the opening of his tomb, I saw a Latin phrase engraved on the stone above the doorway to his tomb.

The phrase was, “Uva uvam vivendo varia fit.”

This phrase appeared in McMurtry’s Lonesome Dove, and has puzzled many people for a long time.

I have tried to translate this phrase for years. I cannot make sense of it because it seems to be either grammatically incorrect or misspelled. It almost means “Grapes become ripe grapes by staying alive.”

Does anyone know if Nostradamus wrote the phrase?

Was this phrase commonly found on tombs in France?

Was this a private, insider’s joke by someone on the History Channel’s production team?

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**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nostradamus-lonesome-dove-history-channel/435243/2 "2008-01-27T22:48:16Z")

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[QUOTE=DocA]  
The phrase was, “Uva uvam **vivendo** varia fit.”

This phrase appeared in McMurtry’s Lonesome Dove, and has puzzled many people for a long time.

Was this a private, insider’s joke by someone on the History Channel’s production team?  
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> The Latin phrase that appears on the Hat Creek Cattle Company sign in “Lonesome Dove” is a garbled corruption, and there’s no direct translation. It derives from the scholia to Juvenal 2.81 which cites the proverb “uva uvam **videndo** varia fit” This means something like “a grape changes color [i.e., ripens] when it sees [another] grape”
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> Novelist Larry McMurtry probably intentionally misused the Latin, perhaps to make a point about Augustus McCrae’s tenuous understanding of the language.

from [http://alkek.library.txstate.edu/swwc/ld/ldex081a1.html](http://alkek.library.txstate.edu/swwc/ld/ldex081a1.html). As to the Nostradamus thing, I don’t know.

\*bolding mine–ed.