# Not angry at all. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215 "2016-06-12T20:09:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/121 "2016-06-14T02:30:53Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And you know this how? He grew up in America, a nation with plenty of violent homophobia. He didn’t need his religion to teach him to hate homosexuals. Such a poignant quote now in light of recent developments. I wonder if all those people who were screaming “Radical Islamist!” will care to comment. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/122 "2016-06-14T02:37:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Jesus is dyslexic. There is only one Dog … uh oh … cats aren’t gonna like this ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/123 "2016-06-14T02:44:41Z")
They’ll love it. After all, the Lord is thy leopard. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/124 "2016-06-14T05:15:51Z")
He’ll make you go lie down in Stillwater. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/125 "2016-06-14T05:53:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Alex Jones claims Orlando was “false flag” attack.](http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/alex_jones_claims_orlando_was_false_flag_attack_to_flood_country_with_muslims_even_though_shooter_was_born_in_u_s/) > > Surprised it took him this long. Oh, people were claiming that right off. Out of curiosity as soon as I heard about the shooting I googled and the gun nuts were already ranting about how it was a false flag. They do that regularly, including accusing parents to their face of taking money from the government to have their children killed. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/126 "2016-06-14T13:27:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He’ll make you go lie down in Stillwater. Well…OK. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/127 "2016-06-14T13:31:19Z")
Its a Minnesota thing. That joke kills in Hibbing. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/128 "2016-06-14T14:25:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He’ll make you go lie down in Stillwater. There’s some good B&Bs in Stillwater, so that’s nice. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/129 "2016-06-14T14:56:16Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > It’s Santa! Jesus just killed Santa! There Can Be Only One. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/130 "2016-06-14T16:57:55Z")
I see: 50 white people get gunned down and it’s “The Worsest Terrorist Shooting in all of American History”. 40 to 200 black people get beat to death in [East St Louis (1917)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_St._Louis_riots) and it doesn’t count. Sure, here on the StraightWhiteDope, black lives don’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/131 "2016-06-14T17:00:27Z")
Your premise is faulty, your reasoning is worse, and your conclusion is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/132 "2016-06-14T17:03:22Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I see: > > 50 white people get gunned down and it’s “The Worsest Terrorist Shooting in all of American History”. > > 40 to 200 black people get beat to death in [East St Louis (1917)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_St._Louis_riots) and it doesn’t count. > > Sure, here on the StraightWhiteDope, black lives don’t matter. This is ridiculous. Facebook and Twitter did not exist back then. How would anybody find out about such a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/133 "2016-06-14T17:05:39Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I see: > > 50 white people get gunned down and it’s “The Worsest Terrorist **Shooting** in all of American History”. > > 40 to 200 black people **get beat to death** in [East St Louis (1917)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_St._Louis_riots) and it doesn’t count. > > Sure, here on the StraightWhiteDope, black lives don’t matter. I’ve highlighted two parts of your post for you. I actually read through your link, since it’s not an event I’d heard of before personally, and it seems like there WERE shooting deaths, but it doesn’t seem to give a death count separated out by method. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/134 "2016-06-14T17:15:12Z")
How very white of you folks to point that out … I stand corrected … [Tulsa 1921](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot) ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/135 "2016-06-14T17:29:50Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > How very white of you folks to point that out … I stand corrected … > > [Tulsa 1921](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot) Again, a quick look through your cite lists a good number of shooting deaths (I counted at least 20 individual shooting deaths, but there’s also a good many times when it just says something like “shot at and many were killed” with no certain number. The total death toll looks to have been anywhere from a little fewer to many, many times higher than that in Orlando, depending on the sources you go with. Given the extensive property damage and fires, as well as the calls for lynching noted, it seems (from that page alone, at least) there were plenty of other options for cause of death rather than shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/136 "2016-06-14T17:38:27Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I’ve highlighted two parts of your post for you. > > I actually read through your link, since it’s not an event I’d heard of before personally, and it seems like there WERE shooting deaths, but it doesn’t seem to give a death count separated out by method. If you’re looking specifically for terrorist **shooting** murders numerically comparable with the Orlando attack, try the 1887 [Thibodeaux massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibodaux_massacre) in which between 20 and 200 African-American participants in a strike at Louisiana sugar plantations, and members of their families, were massacred by white vigilantes. It was estimated by people close to the perpetrators (none of whom were ever indicted for their crimes, natch) that at least fifty unresisting black people were murdered. Again, the parallels with the Orlando attacks aren’t 100% precise: there wasn’t a single shooter, and the violence wasn’t a single unexpected surprise attack. There had been tensions between the evicted black strikers and the white vigilantes who attempted to confine them under martial law in Thibodaux, and two of the white “patrollers” were (non-fatally) shot by an unidentified assailant in their lockdown of the town. But it is undisputed that at least dozens (and likely more than fifty) of unarmed and nonbelligerent black people, including children and elderly, were deliberately murdered by white people to whom they posed no threat of harm, to punish and intimidate them for having dared to stand up to their white bosses. By any reasonable metric, **the Thibodaux massacre counts as an incident of domestic terrorism, with a probable shooting-death body count on the order of fifty or more**. Oh, and [Wilmington (NC) 1898](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_insurrection_of_1898), anybody? > [@](#): > > […] white Democratic Party insurgents overthrew the legitimately elected local government, expelling black leaders from the city. In addition, a mob of nearly 2,000 white men attacked the only black newspaper in the state, and persons and property in black neighborhoods, killing an estimated 15 to more than 60 victims, and destroying homes and businesses built up since the Civil War. > > Two days after the election of a Fusionist white mayor and biracial city council, two-thirds of which members were white, Democratic Party white supremacists seized power and overturned the elected government. Led by Alfred Waddell, who was defeated in 1878 as the congressional incumbent by Daniel L. Russell (elected a fusionist governor in 1896), more than 2,000 white men participated in an attack on the black newspaper, Daily Record, burning down the building. They ran officials and community leaders out of the city, and killed many blacks in widespread attacks, especially destroying the Brooklyn neighborhood. They took photographs of each other during the events. The Wilmington Light Infantry (WLI) and federal Naval Reserves, ordered to quell the riot, became involved with the rioters instead, using rapid-fire weapons and killing several black men in the Brooklyn neighborhood. And what happened to the Wilmington terrorists, you ask? Why, they were re-elected to the offices they had illegally usurped, of course. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/137 "2016-06-14T17:42:43Z")
Sure, no one thought to actually count the dead black people … once the “Black-Only” hospitals were burnt down there wasn’t any point to. Besides, these events were just race riots, not terrorism … how could I have made such a silly mistake. [Arkansas 1919](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_race_riot) ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/138 "2016-06-14T17:48:11Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > By any reasonable metric, **the Thibodaux massacre counts as an incident of domestic terrorism, with a probable shooting-death body count on the order of fifty or more**. To be clear, I’m not actually denying the existence of higher-death-toll-by-shooting attacks. I read the links because they weren’t events I’d heard of before, and discovered that **watchwolf49** seems to be bad at picking his/her examples. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/139 "2016-06-14T17:54:42Z")
None of which analogies, of course, in any way diminish or trivialize the atrocious evil and suffering of the Orlando attacks. But I think it’s worth remembering, when the media starts playing “Unprecedented Worst Ever” rhetoric games with terrorist attacks, the extent to which horrific and terroristic—and **large-scale and habitual** —mob violence against blacks in America has largely been erased from our mainstream narratives. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215/140 "2016-06-14T18:24:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > None of which analogies, of course, in any way diminish or trivialize the atrocious evil and suffering of the Orlando attacks. But I think it’s worth remembering, when the media starts playing “Unprecedented Worst Ever” rhetoric games with terrorist attacks, the extent to which horrific and terroristic—and **large-scale and habitual** —mob violence against blacks in America has largely been erased from our mainstream narratives. Thank you … and I desist … a true wordsmith you are **Kimstu**. Apparently we’ve also chosen to forget that just a few years ago, a white guy chased down a black kid and shot and killed the kid in cold blood, then successfully claimed self-defense. So, we have a culture of tolerance for this kind of behavior in the greater Orlando area. That’s the only place in the whole world I’ve been where I worried about leaving Brenda back home with her playmates in the neighborhood Neo-Nazi’s gun safe. “I walked into the nightclub with my AR-15, then I felt my life was threatened … so I defended myself.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-angry-at-all/757215.md?page=8)