May I nominate the word “irregardless?” The “ir” and the “less” cancel each other out. Really, “irregardless” should mean the opposite of “regardless,” yet people use them interchangeably quite frequently, and it really grates on my nerves.
Do you truly imagine that I’m either genuinely filled with the emotion of outrage, or insufficiently educated to know an alternate means of expressing myself? I’ve been using that particular ejaculation as a sort of comic motif; I was trying to get a little ironic humor out of pretending that a minor syntactical error evoked the same level of outrage and cursing as the many serious wrongs and evils that are often addressed here in the Pit.
Also, I was enjoying the contrast between my clear and lucid complaint against improper use of a grammatical modifier, and the immediately succeeding one-word, vulgar expression of inarticulate rage.
Was. You’ve ruined it by living up to your name and exceeding the level of pedantry inherent in my thread subject. Now I’m filled with incoherent rage. . . . I feel I want to shout something, anything to express how angry I am. If only there were a single word, perhaps a compound word combining an abhorrent literal meaning with a rich history in popular culture, preferably ending in a hard consonant, that I could shout to the world. Something to express outrage, frustration, exasperation, disgust and a rush of emotion overwhelming any sense of decorum. Someday I’ll find that word, my friend, and then you and I will have words.
I mean word.
Carry on.
I got it.
(Well, I got that it was a motif. I don’t think I imbued it with that much symbolism. I mostly just thought it was funny.)
I don’t get it?
That’s a completely standard and normal way of using the word “yet.”
Why do you think there’s something wrong with it?
-FrL-
Where does this idea (that “less than” should apply only to mass nouns and “fewer than” only to count nouns) come from? It sounds made up to me.
-FrL-
Well, all language is made up, when you think about it. We just happened to make up a rule that is usually agreed on that you have fewer dollars and less money.
Some folks say fewer, but fewer than lesser folk
Who’re these lesser folk? --bet you can guess:
They are that newer thing, that grammar-skewering
Mob, entre nous, who would make do with less.
(Ironic, ain’t it, that they’re messin’s
The result of fewer lessons)
Used to be, fewer things occupied my poor head
Less stuff concerned me for I had a rule:
If I could separate, name and enumerate
Units of something, “fewer” was cool.
(The irony begins to grow – it’s
A less-known rule 'cause fewer know it)
Though modern microscopy counts liquid molecules
Asking for many more water is bunk
Similar problems plague drinkers of rum – is he
Fewer sheets to the wind – or merely less drunk?
(Is it less beer? Is it fewer?
That’s for God, yeast, and the brewer)
If I could wave and put good grammar in the mouth
Of every speaker, still I would refrain:
“Fewer”'s a shibboleth, helping us recognize
That man who talks to us owning a brain.
It’s not really usually agreed on (and actually never has been), except in the sense that it is paid a certain amount of lip service in books that have little to do with how people actually speak. That’s why people get to play “grammar gotcha” with it; if it was a real rule of language, people would already be naturally following it.
As for Frylock’s question, we’re fortunate enough to know the exact origin of this particular “rule”. I’ve written about this particular bit of silliness a couple times before, so I’ll just link to that.
(As an illustrative example, consider how rarely pedants have to correct people to use SVO order in English rather than, say, SOV. Usage guides don’t even bother to mention it; they don’t have to. Sort of bittersweetly ironic, the way the very legitimacy of the rule keeps people from giving it a tenth as much attention as all the contrived flag-throwing opportunities)
Okay then, but don’t you dare say “different than” when you mean “different from”.
You’re not indifferent to such prepositional choices?
That situation is a bit different to the situation with “less”/“fewer”. In that situation, there really are various kinds of empirically observable rules going on, but the rules are different from dialect to dialect, and even idiolect to idiolect. For example, the distribution in the U.S. is different than the one in the U.K. But except in the most formal of situations, there’s really no need to spend any conscious effort worrying about it. The way you naturally speak may come off a little weird to someone from elsewhere, but that different people speak differently is just a fact of life. Making a big deal about it or pushing for a standard is like making a big deal over whether there’s a ‘u’ in “color”/“colour” or whether “the government” takes singular or plural verb agreement.
(Cite that all these forms are standard in various speech communities)
I was just kidding, Indi. Just kidding. Never take pit threads on grammar too seriously. Pitting people for how they speak is like pitting rain for being wet.
Yeah, I know. I just wanted to use lots of different “different…” constructions. Though your level of amusement at this may be different onto mine.
Butbut, “dfferent than” is no different than “different from.”
-FrL-
On edit: What Indisitinguishable said, but cruder than.
Is butbut a word?
I hadn’t actually noticed that the Pit often addresses serious wrongs and evils…at least not seriously.
If you were deliberately juxtaposing a clear and lucid (but deliberately pedantic) complaint against an expression of inarticulate rage as a comic motif, then…
I was whooshed. I am embarrassed and I will return to GQs to seek my own kind, having spoiled the party.
Please accept my apologies. The term “fuck” and its assorted derivatives are tossed around in the Pit after the manner of pre-adolescents learning a dirty word for the first time and finding a place where they can exercise their newly-found illicit vocabulary. Let me commend your extremely articulate defense of its proper use.
I will see myself to the door now.
As you were.
Just not is not just not not just, it’s just not not just.
Or to put it another way, not just is not just not just not, not just is just not just not.
“He is just not a motherfucker.”
“He fucks not just mothers.”
Yes. I believe I see your point.