# Not pit-level annoyance, just a peeve about pedo and rape hysteria... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 30, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-pit-level-annoyance-just-a-peeve-about-pedo-and-rape-hysteria/562470 "2010-11-30T22:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-pit-level-annoyance-just-a-peeve-about-pedo-and-rape-hysteria/562470/261 "2010-12-03T10:07:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is still pure, obfuscatory sophism that is not goung to result in a successful argument that it’s ok to fuck underaged girls. Silly Dio. The successful argument that it can be ok for legally underage females to have sex with much older males has not only been made already, it’s been _lived_, therefore _proved_. Your UNsuccessful argument, on the other hand, which is founded on the blind, completely unsupported assumption that the only applicable issue is the degree of brain development, is a completely worthless argument. Here’s why: (this is where I support my assertions with reasoning and logic - It’s very satisfying, I highly recommend it.) Not only is it based on a blind assumption (which is just your opinion; you haven’t even _tried_ to make a case for why the _only_ applicable issue is the degree of brain development, you just sort of decreed it, as though you were a king: “We Decree That The Question Shall Be Decided on teh Following Criteria…” and, like kings, once you’ve rigged the game you expect you will win. But since any command to cut off the head of dissenters is hollow, you find yourself without any subjects willing to throw the game for you…) but because if we do accept that as the only thing worth considering, then try to apply it, it instantly turns to mush in the real world, where individual human beings in their infinite variety lay waste to any assumptions about how prepared any particular girl is to successfully cope with the weighty issue of sex. And that, all by itself, actually functions **as the proof** that your pet belief that brain development is the only thing to consider is worthless as a basis for arriving at an answer. Or rather, a _ **valid** _ answer. But wait, there’s more! The only thing that science knows for sure is that yes, the brain continues to develop through adolesence and into adulthood. That’s it, the end, you can all go home now, nothing more to see… Science does not know how much, which areas, if some areas develop more than others, if some brains stop earlier than others or go on beyond others, on and on and on, and most critical of all, science cannot tell us which parts of whose brains are being used to handle what decisions. Maybe Veronica makes her personal relationship decisions in a manner that is detached from her emotions, relying entirely on her intellect to guide her, while Bethia makes all her decisions impulsively, directly from her emotional responses. Which is more effective, better? No way to tell…especially after we learn that Bethia has an extraordinarily high IQ, while Veronica is barely average…so the brainiac acts on emotion, while the gal who barely clears the bar is relying on her less-than-stellar mind. Now who is making better decisions? Your argument is goo. You lose. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-pit-level-annoyance-just-a-peeve-about-pedo-and-rape-hysteria/562470/262 "2010-12-03T11:09:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Victimless or non-violent offenders should not be branded. Please define victim. Because your arguments tell us that you consider my 33 year old British lover a criminal, which means you consider me a victim – but since the relationship was entirely positive, one I cherish, and had entirely positive ripple effects on my life than continue to the present day, it’s not rational to call me a victim. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The psychologocal reality is that a 15 year old does not have the same cognitive development as an adult, and **cannot** be cognitive peers with one. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I said that 30 year olds and 15 year olds are not cognitive peers. That is a **hard** fact. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What I’m saying is that it’s **impossible** for a 15 year old to be cognitive peers with a 30 year old, therefore no sexual relationship of that nature can be equal, and they are inherently exploitive. It is also true that 15 year olds to not have the same ability to understand their decisions as 30 year olds. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Incidentally, you have not met 14 or 15 year olds who have the **cognitive development** of 30 year olds. That’s **not biologically possible.** The following fictional characters all have real-world counterparts, they aren’t fantasy-level fiction. And while they are unusual, they merely represent extremes on a continuum. Therefore it is valid to use them for this exercise. So… please tell us who is cognitive peers with whom: [ul] [li]Forrest Gump at Age 30[/li][li]His Girlfriend Jenny at age 30[/li][li]The Jodi Foster character from Tax Driver, who was 12, I believe.[/li][li]Will from Good Will Hunting[/li][li]Sam from I Am Sam[/li][li]Sam’s daughter[/li][li]Mozart in Amadeus[/li][li]Raymond in Rain Man[/li][/ul] I repeat: your argument is goo. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-pit-level-annoyance-just-a-peeve-about-pedo-and-rape-hysteria/562470/263 "2010-12-03T14:52:08Z")
This thread has gone COMPLETELY off the rails. Completely. If, at some future point people would like to discuss the society’s perception of rape and pedophilia, we can have another thread. Thread closed. **Ellen Cherry IMHO Moderator** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/not-pit-level-annoyance-just-a-peeve-about-pedo-and-rape-hysteria/562470.md?page=13)