# Notable villainesses from Christmas Movies/Specials? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 15, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575 "2017-12-15T19:10:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/1 "2017-12-15T19:10:36Z")
Something occurred to me the other day: there are plenty of good villains from Christmas movies and TV Specials, from the mundane to the supernatural—Rankin/Bass alone can supply a small Legion of the Festively Damned—I’m really having a hard time thinking of many who aren’t men. A couple of greedy aunts and/or grumpy orphanage matron types, but that’s about it. The most notable I can come up with is [Mrs. Mavilda, the antagonist of the (infamously bad) 1991 animated film _The Christmas Tree_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1651146/)—and even being an orphan tormenting, embezzling, chainsaw-wielding poker addict doesn’t compare to the timeless, existential malice of the meat reindeer from _Rudolph_. Or maybe I’m completely overthinking it. Anyway, anyone got any suggestions for notable fictional Christmas villainesses? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/2 "2017-12-15T21:02:21Z")
Thanks to Christmas Specials Wiki, they have the following to offer (all unseen by me, lol): \*Cousin Mel from _Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer_ (who also appears to be the hottest Xmas villainess) \*Stormella, the Evil Ice Queen from _Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, the Movie_ \*Ms. Stout from _The Search for Santa Paws_ And then assorted franchise villainesses who appeared in a Xmas special from that franchise (Rugrats, My Little Pony, Pokemon, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/3 "2017-12-15T21:24:05Z")
Crown Media (the Hallmark Channel) has produced a staggering [136 holiday-themed movies since 2001.](https://slate.com/arts/2017/12/hallmarks-21-movie-christmas-countdown-reviewed.html) while [Lifetime has turned out 44](http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/g29238/lifetime-christmas-movies-ranked/). Out of those 180, you figure there has to be more than a handful of female villains. I’m not going to try to find out, though. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/4 "2017-12-15T23:56:01Z")
The Snow Queen should count. There’s more than one version of her story. The White Witch from _Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe_ counts as well. It has Father Christmas, after all. ---
**Author:** ![zoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ea924/32.png) [@zoog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoog)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/5 "2017-12-16T00:41:00Z")
Lois from Bad Santa? ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/6 "2017-12-16T01:10:03Z")
Do the laundress and the maid from _Mr. Magoo’s A Christmas Carol_ count? “LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!” ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/7 "2017-12-16T01:54:53Z")
Julia Louis-Dreyfus in National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation? Well, more of a comic foil, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notable-villainesses-from-christmas-movies-specials/804575/8 "2017-12-17T04:51:05Z")
The several dozen genderswapped Scrooges from TV movie versions of A Christmas Carol count, right?