# Noted American child molester pitching lights out for Mexican team! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152 "2019-07-15T22:42:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/101 "2019-07-17T14:14:57Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Polanski didn’t serve his sentence. I believe he’s still a fugitive. > > According to Wikipedia, he was facing up to 50 years in prison. > > So, there’s a difference. 100% correct. Polanski agreed to a standard plea deal and met all the terms of the plea, same as Luke. An unethical judge then got word out that upon final sentencing, he was going to disregard the terms of the plea, and sentence him to many years jail. So, like a sensible person who would have been unethically sentenced without trial, he fled- bad man, but smart man- you or I or Luke would do the same if we had the means. Luke pleas to lesser charge, accepts charge, counseling, therapy, apology letter on the agreement it will be sealed then expunged. At final sentencing, judge correctly ruled in accordance with plea terms. If he had instead said, fuck the plea, fifty years for you, and Luke were an exchange student who had the means to leave the country before capture, he would have done same. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/102 "2019-07-17T16:24:20Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > 100% correct. > > Polanski agreed to a standard plea deal and met all the terms of the plea, same as Luke. An unethical judge then got word out that upon final sentencing, he was going to disregard the terms of the plea, and sentence him to many years jail. > > So, like a sensible person who would have been unethically sentenced without trial, he fled- bad man, but smart man- you or I or Luke would do the same if we had the means. > > Luke pleas to lesser charge, accepts charge, counseling, therapy, apology letter on the agreement it will be sealed then expunged. At final sentencing, judge correctly ruled in accordance with plea terms. If he had instead said, fuck the plea, fifty years for you, and Luke were an exchange student who had the means to leave the country before capture, he would have done same. This is pretty bizarre. You’re giving Polanski a pass on escaping sentencing because he was going to get a harsh punishment? Meanwhile, you are angry this ball player is getting on with his life after his lenient sentence, similar to what Polanski was hoping for. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/103 "2019-07-17T17:25:16Z")
Another thing I suspect – wouldn’t it be more likely that Heimlich could also have been a victim of molestation himself? Isn’t that often the case with young offenders? (I also wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to Duggar as well, although I still think he’s a sleaze and an asshole) ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/104 "2019-07-17T17:42:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Another thing I suspect – wouldn’t it be more likely that Heimlich could also have been a victim of molestation himself? Isn’t that often the case with young offenders? > > (I also wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to Duggar as well, although I still think he’s a sleaze and an asshole) NO, that can’t possibly be the case. Why, because Helmut Doork says so (bolding mine): > [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > No, case by case, but that isn’t the case here, he was sentenced under juvenile laws. > > Very infamous UK case in 1969 or so, nine year old Mary Bell, after years of suffering unconscionable abuse, actually murdered a small child. Unbelievably rare at the age. > > But absolutely would not have happened had her abuse not skewed her sense of right and wrong. So case by case. > > **Luke Heimlich has no such excuse- none.** And we all know how accurate Helmut Doork has been throughout this thread…:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/105 "2019-07-17T17:54:46Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > NO, that can’t possibly be the case. Why, because Helmut Doork says so (bolding mine): Actually if you know about the case, you will know there is absolutely nothing to suggest this- he comes from a huge adoring (Christian!) family. But its irrelevant, because Luke’s current stance is he did nothing at all to the girl, she is a liar! A girl who has received absolutely nothing financial from Luke, and there is no clause in the case that states any money he earns in the future goes to her. So if he starts making millions, a child victim will have to testify in court to possibly get restitution. Vince Neil kills a guy when drunk, part of his sentencing is 2.6 million restitution to family- no such thing here. And yes those molested are likely to molest others, so this girl is now likely to molest, more likely to have an unstable life, bad relationships, all that, thanks to Luke- her life is over. And if comparing the two- Polanski’s family was killed in the Holocaust at age nine. Any child psychologist here can confirm that experiencing a trauma like that can greatly skew your sense of right of wrong. So Luke gets a pass because there is a _chance_ he could have experienced childhood trauma, but Polanski, confirmed, experienced the worst trauma imaginable, but gets no pass- makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/106 "2019-07-17T18:05:38Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Actually if you know about the case, you will know there is absolutely nothing to suggest this- he comes from a huge adoring (Christian!) family. LOL! Say no more, this says it all right here. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/107 "2019-07-17T18:06:57Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > And yes those molested are likely to molest others, so this girl is now likely to molest, more likely to have an unstable life, bad relationships, all that, thanks to Luke- her life is over. Not quite. People who have been molested are NOT likely to molest others. HOWEVER, those who do molest others are more likely to have been molested at some point in their lives. So no, she’s not going to be a child molestor, and no, her life is not over, provided her family makes sure to get her counseling and such. I do, however, suspect that Luke was molested at some point. Not just a childhood trauma, though. But this one in particular. > [@](#): > > So Luke gets a pass because there is a _chance_ he could have experienced childhood trauma, but Polanski, confirmed, experienced the worst trauma imaginable, but gets no pass- makes sense. I’m not giving him a pass, merely suggesting an explaination. It’s not JUST a childhood trauma, but a particular childhood trauma. He may or may not say he did it, but I believe he at least filled the terms of his plea, for the most part. Polanski didn’t fill any of them, just fled the country. You don’t seem to know jackshit about this kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/108 "2019-07-17T18:15:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Not quite. People who have been molested are NOT likely to molest others. > He may or may not say he did it, but I believe he at least filled the terms of his plea, for the most part. Polanski didn’t fill any of them, just fled the country. > > You don’t seem to know jackshit about this kind of thing. Any child psychologist here can tell you that you are one million percent wrong that molested are not more likely to molest- any abuse sufferers are more likely to do same- period. fact. And also, Guin dear, your disgust for Polanski is clouding your ability to assess the facts rationally- Polanski fulfilled every single part of his plea deal. same as Luke. He fled when an unethical judge made it known he would not honor the plea deal when sentencing. I understand when a thread goes to a new page, it is a chore to go to the bottom of the previous page to read the new posts, but it help sometimes to do so when forming a response: You: _People who have been molested are NOT likely to molest others. HOWEVER, those who do molest others are more likely to have been molested at some point in their lives._ This is a \*\*massive \*\*contradiction ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/109 "2019-07-17T18:18:56Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Any child psychologist here can tell you that you are one million percent wrong that molested are not more likely to molest- That’s not what you said. You said “Likely to molest,” not “_More likely_ to molest.” Big difference. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/110 "2019-07-17T18:19:21Z")
Helmut, do you know this guy or something? It feels like you have a very personal connection to this case. Are you dating the kid he molested by chance? That aside you seem to go back and forth on what the worst thing you can do to someone is; kill their parents or molest them. You don’t really seem to mind killing a person due to your belief that he should be beat to death behind a bar just the killing of their parents. Since earning $50k a year playing baseball is too good for this guy how would you feel about him working a Mcjob, doing well, and getting promoted to manager? He’d be earning the same $50k per year but now he’d literally be in charge of a children’s playground and have a staff of people who have to respect him (at least to his face). ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/111 "2019-07-17T18:24:51Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > That’s not what you said. You said “Likely to molest,” not “_More likely_ to molest.” Big difference. A person who is molested is more likely to become a molester than if they were not molested. I may have left a word out, ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/112 "2019-07-17T18:25:00Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Any child psychologist here can tell you that you are one million percent wrong that molested are not more likely to molest- any abuse sufferers are more likely to do same- period. fact. > > And also, Guin dear, your disgust for Polanski is clouding your ability to assess the facts rationally- Polanski fulfilled every single part of his plea deal. same as Luke. He fled when an unethical judge made it known he would not honor the plea deal when sentencing. > > I understand when a thread goes to a new page, it is a chore to go to the bottom of the previous page to read the new posts, but it help sometimes to do so when forming a response: > > You: > > _People who have been molested are NOT likely to molest others. HOWEVER, those who do molest others are more likely to have been molested at some point in their lives._ > > This is a \*\*massive \*\*contradiction My God. Every defendant who takes a plea deal know the judge is free to disregard it. It’s not “unethical”. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/113 "2019-07-17T18:25:53Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Helmut, do you know this guy or something? It feels like you have a very personal connection to this case. Are you dating the kid he molested by chance? Am I dating a minor? No. I am ok with Luke pitching but giving a sizable portion of his income to his victim- yes, its a win-win, she gest money, and he will have to face opposing fans calling him a molester every night, and face the scorn of his teammates. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/114 "2019-07-17T18:27:46Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/115 "2019-07-17T18:30:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > My God. Every defendant who takes a plea deal know the judge is free to disregard it. It’s not “unethical”. In this case it is understood the judge, or a different judge, agreed to it, then the judge or a different judge changed- that’s the unethical part. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/116 "2019-07-17T18:38:13Z")
Ill end my posting in this thread with the below facts and how they relate to Lukes victim- she’ll be just fine, right? One third of abused children will eventually victimize their own children -80% of abused children meet the diagnostic criteria for at least one psychiatric disorder at age 21 (including but not limited to anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and eating disorders). -Abused children are 25% more likely to experience teen pregnancy. -Abused teens are three times less likely to practice safe sex. -14.4% of all men imprisoned in the United States were abused as children. -36.7% of all women in prison were abused as children. -Children who have been sexually abused are 2.5 times more likely to develop alcohol abuse. -Children who have been sexually abused are 3.8 times more likely to develop drug addictions. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/117 "2019-07-17T18:39:57Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > I am ok with Luke pitching but giving a sizable portion of his income to his victim- yes, its a win-win, she gets money, and he will have to face opposing fans calling him a molester every night, and face the scorn of his teammates. Again, your motive seems to be some unsatisfied thirst for vengeance. You seem like Juror 3# from _Twelve Angry Men_. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/118 "2019-07-17T18:45:28Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Again, your motive seems to be some unsatisfied thirst for vengeance. You seem like Juror 3# from _Twelve Angry Men_. Restitution does not equal vengeance. Last post, pinky swear, but direct question to any one of Lukes supporters: Should any money from future earnings go to his victim? Why or why not? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/119 "2019-07-17T18:49:31Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Restitution does not equal vengeance. > > Last post, pinky swear, but direct question to any one of Lukes supporters: > > Should any money from future earnings go to his victim? Why or why not? This isn’t a quiz show. Let’s see your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/120 "2019-07-17T18:50:19Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Restitution does not equal vengeance. > > Last post, pinky swear, but direct question to any one of Lukes supporters: > > Should any money from future earnings go to his victim? Why or why not? 1. If he wants to, and 2 if she wants it [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152.md?page=7)