# Noted American child molester pitching lights out for Mexican team! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152 "2019-07-15T22:42:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/121 "2019-07-17T18:53:04Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > This isn’t a quiz show. Let’s see your argument. goddamn it you made me break my word- is it too hard to at least read the last few posts of a thread, minimum? post #113:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/122 "2019-07-17T19:04:09Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Restitution does not equal vengeance. > > Last post, pinky swear, but direct question to any one of Lukes supporters: > > Should any money from future earnings go to his victim? Why or why not? Not really a Luke supporter. I just have a low tolerance for bad arguments plastered together with bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/123 "2019-07-17T19:04:56Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > goddamn it you made me break my word- is it too hard to at least read the last few posts of a thread, minimum? post #113:rolleyes: That’s not an argument; it’s an opinion about what you’re ok with. I’m ok with restitution. I’m not ok with instituting it years after sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/124 "2019-07-17T20:03:37Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Am I dating a minor? No. > > I am ok with Luke pitching but giving a sizable portion of his income to his victim- yes, its a win-win, she gest money, and he will have to face opposing fans calling him a molester every night, and face the scorn of his teammates. Uups, my mistake. I didn’t do the math to realize his victim is still a minor. I certainly didn’t mean to accuse you of that. You do seem to be a bit attached to this case. You did totally miss my question though. Would you be ok with this molester becoming a manager at a McDonald’s or a Gamestop? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/125 "2019-07-17T20:07:35Z")
Would you prefer it if he just went out and shot himself? ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/126 "2019-07-17T20:41:21Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Uups, my mistake. I didn’t do the math to realize his victim is still a minor. No worries:) ---
**Author:** ![Doyle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doyle/32/439_2.png) [@Doyle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doyle)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/127 "2019-07-17T21:05:43Z")
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Oregon State continue to pitch him into the CWS even after his story was revealed? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/128 "2019-07-17T21:52:01Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > made it abundantly clear in my post I was coming strictly from a legal standpoint only, said that six times, but you still missed it- fine. Holy crap, did you not read your own cite? Polanski’s 42 days were NOT a punishment sentence, it was for psychiatric evaluation, _after_ which he was to be sentenced. And he did, indeed, plead guilty to having sex with a child which is statutory rape. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/129 "2019-07-17T22:06:00Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Actually if you know about the case, you will know there is absolutely nothing to suggest this- he comes from a huge adoring (Christian!) family. How is being Christian relevant to any of this? > [@](#): > > And yes those molested are likely to molest others, so this girl is now likely to molest, more likely to have an unstable life, bad relationships, all that, thanks to Luke- her life is over. WHOA! No, she is NOT “likely to molest”. Being molested does not make it LIKELY that the victim will be a molester. A lot of molesters (though not all) have been molested but the MAJORITY of victims will NOT molest during their subsequent lifetimes. Way to go, let’s punish the victims by assuming they’ll all be perpetrators. :rolleyes: And NO her life is NOT “over”. Holy crap, where do you get this shit? There are many highly successful people living happy lives even if they do have a rape in their past. Stop that immediately - there is NOTHING about being a rape victim that makes it mandatory that your life is “over” unless you live in one of those hideous Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia the execute rape victims for having sex outside of marriage. Neither the US nor Mexico do anything of the sort. Yes, a victim is more likely to have relationship problems than someone who isn’t a victim but it’s not written in stone, ESPECIALLY with appropriate counseling. Part of the damage done by sexual abuse is other people viewing the victims as somehow “broken”. Stop contributing to the problem. > [@](#): > > And if comparing the two- Polanski’s family was killed in the Holocaust at age nine. Any child psychologist here can confirm that experiencing a trauma like that can greatly skew your sense of right of wrong. Boo-fucking-hoo - literally _millions_ of people experienced that and DIDN’T grow up to drug and ass-rape 13 year old girls. Polanski wasn’t a 9 year old child when he drugged and ass-raped a 13 year old girl, he was a grown man in his 40’s. > [@](#): > > So Luke gets a pass because there is a _chance_ he could have experienced childhood trauma, but Polanski, confirmed, experienced the worst trauma imaginable, but gets no pass- makes sense. Actually, I think seeing your _child_ murdered in the Holocaust would be the “worst trauma imaginable”. Not to minimize having one’s parents killed, but generally having your kid killed is considered far more painful. In other words, you’re wrong again. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/130 "2019-07-17T22:11:41Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Any child psychologist here can tell you that you are one million percent wrong that molested are not more likely to molest- any abuse sufferers are more likely to do same- period. fact. Please provide a cite and/or your own personal credentials as a psychiatrist/psychologist. > [@](#): > > He fled when an unethical judge made it known he would not honor the plea deal when sentencing. The judge disputed that (literally) to his dying day. Polanski “got word” via a third party who “overheard” the judge talking, which means the conversation may or may not have been about Polanski. I find it baffling you give Polanski, who committed rape in his 40’s and fled the country to avoid punishment, a pass and get the vapors over Heimlich, who wasn’t even an adult himself at the time and stayed and faced the consequences of his actions. > [@](#): > > _People who have been molested are NOT likely to molest others. HOWEVER, those who do molest others are more likely to have been molested at some point in their lives._ > > This is a \*\*massive \*\*contradiction No, it is you not understanding the difference between correlation and causation. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/131 "2019-07-17T22:14:12Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Am I dating a minor? No. Presumably, the girl Heimlich finger-raped is going to grow up one day and be an adult. As I’m not entirely clear on the timeline… how old is she now? > [@](#): > > I am ok with Luke pitching but giving a sizable portion of his income to his victim- yes, its a win-win, she gest money, and he will have to face opposing fans calling him a molester every night, and face the scorn of his teammates. What if the fans don’t call him a molester EVERY night and his teammates don’t scorn him? What then? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/132 "2019-07-17T22:52:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Presumably, the girl Heimlich finger-raped is going to grow up one day and be an adult. As I’m not entirely clear on the timeline… how old is she now? According to [this](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/sports/luke-heimlich-mexican-league.html) article in the NY Times, the incident occurred when Heimlich was 15 and his niece was 6. As he is now 23, she would now be 14. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/133 "2019-07-17T23:54:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > What if the fans don’t call him a molester EVERY night and his teammates don’t scorn him? What then? Then he has failed **Helmut Doork** ’s conditions for being allowed to play baseball, and his punishment reverts to the default vigilante penalty that **Helmut Doork** preferred anyway, namely, string him up from the nearest lamppost. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152/134 "2019-07-18T08:22:26Z")
_[nitpick]_ The proposed street justice was being beaten in an alley, not being strung up by a lamp post _[nitpick]_ Other than than, sure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/noted-american-child-molester-pitching-lights-out-for-mexican-team/837152.md?page=6)