# Notes from the NY Not In Our Name Protest: **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 7, 2002, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201 "2002-10-07T14:57:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/1 "2002-10-07T14:57:32Z")
Notes from the NY Not In Our Name Protest: **5 am:** Can’t sleep, adrenaline pumping overtime; become reacquainted with sunrise. **9 am:** Get paged into the office. Cabling issues, wonderful. Timing couldn’t be better. Decide breakfast is overrated, bike into work. **11 am:** Problems fixed, am eating bacon and egg on a roll. Resolve to never again underrate breakfast. Cancel brunch at Dizzy’s. Can I bike back, get prepped for the protest, make it back? Decide no. Jump onto the SDMB. SDMB very underrated; also bacon and egg on a roll. **11:30 am:** Last of organizing phone calls in, fortunately have cell phone charger in office. Organizing parties a lot more fun, plus much easier. **12:30 pm:** Am at 86th & Lex. Voice mail says everyone running late. **12:35 pm:** Linger at the 92nd St Y Fair. Get a Shiatsu massage. Get **Don** , who is now my boy; Don’s hands are like pistons; I feel chi flow, is excellent. Don gives me an extra 10 minutes because he likes my musculature. Me too, Don. I give him an extra $10, get his card. **1 pm:** Met one of my friends, we’re walking our way up the park. By 93rd street, it’s a madhouse. Half naked women, street theater staging, a woman wearing a placard that details wrongdoing by US in Angola. Go us. **1:05 pm:** We enter at 97th street. We get handed roughly an old-growth forest worth of fliers. Many actually having to do with the protest. I congratulate the\*\* Veterans For Peace\*\* contingent. Everyone wearing great shirts, great slogans. Speak to the **Oberlin for Peace** contingent. They appear to be about 14 years old, but are completely covered with inner light, plus facial hair. **1:10 pm:** Where **Ace** signs up for everything. Next week, I will _Stop Saddam by Riding a Bike while Toking Twice for Justice not Oil_. Or something. I take the “test your political ideology” test. Still dead centrist. I make a note to tell **Uigi** , who sent me prior cautionary e-mail about posting my Ultra Left Wing ideological rants. Be v. afraid of the strong center! **1:12 pm:** Get distracted by the Women’s V-Ball. They’re damn good, especially the wiry one with the cut shot. I’m in lust. They had no idea about today. **1:15 pm:** We have worked out most important part of protest; where we’re at. We have compromised between standing by the stage, and sitting on the grass. From our vantage point, the East Meadow has over 10,000 people in it already; people are streaming in via the east gates. Everyone is laughing, giving the creative signs thumbs up. Families, couples, all ages and races are here. Saw a 80 year old and a 1 year old. Incredibly hot contingent of Indian chicks, but they were sitting higher on the natural stadium. Am bummed about compromise. **1:20 pm:** Notice other hot chicks. Not wearing underwear. Go me and my compromising skills. Love me some leftist women. Lust in my heart, and elsewhere. **1:25 pm:** Program about to start. Now 15,000 people, still a jam by the entrance. The East Meadow is covered with a rainbow of smiling faces. The Sun has just come out, and people start stripping down and catching rays, lying out on blankets like I have at home, and eating their picnic lunches like mine still in the fridge. Signs, everywhere signs. **Get Your War On** make the rounds. We laugh about Voltron. Flyer says, “adopt a minefield benefit.” Really? Someone flies a kite. Go Charlie Brown. **1:30 pm:** Program starts. Beautifully voiced Indian MC; Young but amazingly qualified man with requisite backwards cap; People are exhorted to move to the left. Second MC notes that everyone here is in the process of moving to the left, and that’s a good thing. **1:45 pm:** Beautiful program. People who lost family members in the towers start it off. **2 pm:** Women who’s husband was abducted, deported, with no information is breaking down on stage. I missed the intro, turn to a friend: “Was this here, or Iraq?” It was here. I get a good cry, hope my masculinity still secure. Doff my shirt. **2:05 pm:** People are still coming late. Opera in the Park redux. **2:30 pm:** **Tom Duane** gives a fiery speech, not like him at all. Go power nerd. **2:37 pm:** The reverend, the rabbi, and the mosque leaders have all the best speakers. Some Irish guy really funny and sad at the same time. Must look up the German word for it. **2:39 pm:** Law professor? Throws patriot act/anti-bill of rights into audience, where it is torn to pieces. **2:45 pm:** **Susan Sarandon** and **Tim Robbins** bring the mother-fucking place down. Just destroy it. Tim: “We must fight fundamentalism in all its forms.” “Any religion that ties in with evil, loses me.” “Whether it is shooting at abortion clinic, or attacking with airplanes.” “Fundamentalists want to take away everything I hold dear, arts, dance, music… independent women…” SS: “I look out at you, and I’m glad to know I’m not crazy; not alone.” “We must support our courageous senators, Robert Byrd, Russ Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Lee… and I suppose you could throw in the NY Senators.” **2:50 pm:** Starving and thirsty. Make run for drinks. I promise to be back in time for the pledge. I hustle through the throng, and am stopped by Angola, now part of a 51 person equilateral triangle of American military intervention. A showstopper. My god, I had no idea about some of these. Who writes the history books? **2:59 pm:** Skipped vendor, hit bodega. Why sell moldy bananas? Why more area behind counter than in front? Who knows. Going **OJ** , Avis Era to make it back. Hurdled many small dogs. **3 pm:** Take pledge. 20,000+ people all reciting the same pledge. Like allegiance, but voluntary. Simply amazing. I bliss-out. All is white. **3: 15 pm:** Drinking orange juice. Stella Dora cookies. Lunch v. underrated. **3:25 pm:** Friends find me. I go over and say hello. Bastards have chairs. We talk with DOT and several smart people on full estimate. 22,000 people at max, maybe 27,000 attended ± 3,000. Great turnout. East Meadow can perhaps hold 37,000 if everyone held breath. Why do police always lowball turnout? Nobody knows. **3:30 pm:** **C. McKinney** amazing speaker, v. moving. How did she ever get kicked out? **3:35 pm:** Am reminded that she was in GA. How did she ever get elected? She could own NJ, simply own it. **3:40 pm:** Much puppeteering, banners, “regime change… in the US.” “The Bprepared sign” loses points for unoriginality. “Axis of Evil” with the usual suspects, nice paper-mache. **4 pm:** Many off-message speakers follow. At least they don’t repeat. Exhortations for money, followed by Obies with garbage bags labeled donations. They can’t hustle for beans. Should have the guys from Wash. Sq. Park! **4:30 pm:** Apparently, this is also a rally for Puerto Rico, Cuba, Palestine, Native Americans, Police Brutality (anti), Leonard Peltier, Amadou, and I think I missed some. However, for these kind of rallies, message and speakers amazingly well mixed and coordinated. Several youngsters mixed in, everyone speaks for 60 seconds, including **Martin Sheen.** **4:35 pm:** “I assume he wasn’t the _lead singer_ for **Talking Heads**?” Uncomfortable silence. Don’t do drugs kids, lest you end up addlepated on stage. **4:40 pm:** Latecomers left early. Dinner conversation fodder? Who knows. Comedienne **Reno** has us in stitches w. barking dog on stage. “You know, I’d feel safer if the government didn’t have the right to incarcerate me at the stroke of a pen, or come in and steal my hard drive in the middle of the night, but maybe that’s just me?” “Mr. Ashcroftinheimer…” **4:45 pm:** Speakers have covered the gamut, from our Founding Fathers, to Margaret Mead. “Not in our name,” frequent closing. **Saul Williams** quite talented. Great rap tune; must buy album. Other musicians quite good, especially the Columbian; great pipes. **4:50 pm:** Okay, that guy was just plain shrill. Ow. **4:55 pm:** Backwards cap exhorts a final rally. Not In Our Name luminaries come forward to read the Times Ad. Amazing, what’s in there. Totally stoked. We all sing along with the Saul Williams title track, holding our representations of the world high. **5pm:** We’re out. I’m exhausted. Bought much literature, sloganeering. Found some things not signed up for, signed up. We hit the 92nd St. Y fair for a funnel cake. Looks like we had a frosting fight. Yum, and I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/2 "2002-10-07T16:40:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > \*\*Notes from the NY Not In Our Name Protest: > 3:30 pm:C. McKinney amazing speaker, v. moving. How did she ever get kicked out? \*\* According to her father, it was because of the [“J-E-W-S”](http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/election2002/21fourth.html), and from other things I’ve read, this fruit didn’t fall very far from the tree. It’s good to see the Congress rid of this poisonous woman. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/3 "2002-10-07T17:21:44Z")
Did the Jewish block actually vote for her? Were they the swing voters here? I tend to think it was mainly voters, perhaps Republicans? She seemed to be well embraced in NY. What other things did you read, **DCU**? I’d like to have a chance, as you might say, to weigh the evidence for myself. Link? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/4 "2002-10-07T19:20:04Z")
The Jewish bloc voted _against_ McKinney in great numbers, mostly because of her tacit support of Hamas and similar organizations. This is the charming person who suggested that Bush had actual foreknowledge of 9/11. The person who cozies up to terrorist groups. The person who tried to nab that check from a Saudi prince after Giuliani turned it down. She has embraced – and was endorsed by – Louis Farrakahn. And while she may enjoy cheers from a crowd that is mostly comprised of the peacenik hard-left, I doubt New Yorkers overall would think much of hearing from her. Google her name and you’ll come up with a lot – [here’s a story to get you started](http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A10364-2002Aug12¬Found=true). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2002, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/5 "2002-10-07T22:26:32Z")
Here’s the offending quote. It has aged quite well: > [@](#): > > “What did this administration know, and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered?” Note, it doesn’t say “Bush.” She says “the administration.” Do you think the administration didn’t have fair warning? Have you heard further about the FBI landlord who rented to two of the terrorists? The more I learn, the more Cynthia seems right. At some point, this tips past gross incompetance and into malfeasance. You could argue the wording, but if such slights are sufficient to boot elected officials, there would be nary a Republican to be found in Washington. The second charge, of gaining funding from slimy Muslim organizations; what of it? Is this any different from the myriad funding that all the Senators have had to give back – from David Duke to the Chinese government? I thought the Rep’s argument was of the impossibility of vetting all these individuals and I quite agree. Give back the money – ok. Advocating a Muslim position – ok. Having the Jewish bloc go against you – so what? Poisonous? No. Tacit support of Hamas? Please. I’ve googled; no luck – so do find me a _causus belli_ for that ad hominem attack among the “other things that you’ve read,” won’t you? I’d hate to think you only hold _other_ people to a better standard than third hand information. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/6 "2002-10-08T00:21:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > **Here’s the offending quote. It has aged quite well** If you’re going to quote her, do it right and include the [full quote](http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0402/12mckinney.html): > [@](#): > > “We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. … What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? … **What do they have to hide?** ” > […] > She added that “ **persons close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America’s new war**.” > > (emphasis added) The implications of what she says are far from just an inquiry into FBI screwups.\*\* > [@](#): > > Note, it doesn’t say “Bush.” She says “the administration.” \*\* Fine, she says the Bush _administration_ had foreknowledge of the attacks. That’s really not much better, you know.\*\* > [@](#): > > Do you think the administration didn’t have fair warning? \*\* Of the specific events of 9/11? No. It’s an absurd charge. Even though much of this happened on Bill Clinton’s watch, and I am no fan of Clinton, I am not inclined to saddle his administration with responsibility for foreknowledge of the attacks.\*\* > [@](#): > > Have you heard further about the FBI landlord who rented to two of the terrorists? \*\* He was an FBI _informant_, not an FBI agent. And the case agent merely knew there were two Saudi men living there for a time. It’s a tragic case of failure to followup on the part of the field office, but that hardly translates to knowledge that the 9/11 attacks were coming. [Cite.](http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/11/ar911.hijackers.landlord/)\*\* > [@](#): > > The more I learn, the more Cynthia seems right. At some point, this tips past gross incompetance and into malfeasance. You could argue the wording, but if such slights are sufficient to boot elected officials, there would be nary a Republican to be found in Washington.\*\* Are you seriously suggesting that this is more than a failure to piece together intelligence information in a timely fashion (information that, BTW, is much easier to piece together with the benefit of hindsight)? Do you really believe that American law enforcement and intelligence services _wanted_ an attack to happen – that they knew it was coming and did nothing about it? Do you really think – as McKinney apparently does – that these agencies _could_ have warned the people of New York and just decided not to? That’s just sick. \*\* > [@](#): > > The second charge, of gaining funding from slimy Muslim organizations; what of it? Is this any different from the myriad funding that all the Senators have had to give back – from David Duke to the Chinese government? I thought the Rep’s argument was of the impossibility of vetting all these individuals and I quite agree. Give back the money – ok. Advocating a Muslim position – ok. Having the Jewish bloc go against you – so what? Poisonous? No. Tacit support of Hamas? Please. \*\* I’ll remember you said that next time Trent Lott is invited to speak by the CCC. Seriously, these are pretty odious people. In particular is Florida professor Sami Al-Arian – quoted in the article – whose opinion of Israel and what shoud be done with it has been well known for a long time.\*\* > [@](#): > > I’ve googled; no luck – so do find me a _causus belli_ for that ad hominem attack among the “other things that you’ve read,” won’t you?I’d hate to think you only hold _other_ people to a better standard than third hand information. \*\* Lessee, she’s also claimed Vice President Al Gore has a low ''[Negro tolerance level](http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/090900/ele_0909000025.shtml)," because she had “never known him to have more than one black person around him at any given time.” She’s claimed that there are attempts to disenfranchise blacks in her district, anc cites as evidence the fact that her (Democrat-run) voting district’s finances are handled by “[four white women](http://www.house.gov/mckinney/news/pr001220.htm).” The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has called her the “[most prominent nut](http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/0402/0415mckinney.html)” in the sea of nuttiness that is conspiracy theory – no small feat. You must not have Googled very hard. I found that stuff in less time than it took me to enter it. She’s an embarassment, and it’s good that she’s gone. (Georgia cleaned house this year; I was glad to see Barr go as well). If you want to go further with this, I suggest you ask a mod to move it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/7 "2002-10-08T01:44:05Z")
By the way, I was reading the [New York Sun’s writeup](http://www.nysun.com/sunarticle.asp?artID=247) of the protest and noticed this: > [@](#): > > Ayman Asawa, who called himself a peace activist, agreed. “Bush is more Israeli than the Israelis themselves. He is a puppet of the Zionists [who] control the media, the government and the economy. The Jews’ book — the Protocols of the Elders of Zion — explains how they control the world and how they make people fight against each other.” His reference was to a notorious Russian forgery that has been a centerpiece of anti-Semitism since Czarist times. “The American government,” Mr. Asawa said, uttering another allegation frequently heard from anti-Semites, “is controlled by corporations and the corporations are controlled by Zionism.” > > By no means all of the protestors in Central Park bought into the kinds of theories Mr. Asawa was pushing. But many expressed hostility to the Jewish state while opposing the nascent war against Iraq. Pete Rupert, for one, said his condemnation of Israel was simple. “I know a lot of Palestinians, and I’ve hung around with too many Jews. I’m not anti-Semitic, just anti-Israel.” Such lovely people you were sharing the park with this weekend, Ace. Gotta love those peace-loving libbies who cite to the long-discredited Protocols of the Elders of Zion. ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/8 "2002-10-08T11:57:01Z")
Yeah Cynthia McKinney is a bit of a nut. Didn’t her campaign resort to phoning voters threatening them that it is illegal to vote in a Democratic Primary if you’re not a registered Democrat? Which, by the way, is perfectly legal. And the Protocols of The Elders of Zion? I know you can’t be guilty by association but the minute someone brings up that it makes everyone else around them look bad. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/9 "2002-10-08T15:03:08Z")
Serious guilt by association. I do love that from a lawyer. Hey, didn’t Trent Lott actually [URL=http://www.fair.org/extra/9903/ccc.html]adress the CCC? Nice analogy; I assume C. McKinney actually spoke to Hamas? As for your evidence it is mostly guilt by the most tenuous of associations; rhetorical mau-mauing of which I do not countenance, but is unforutanately quite common; the Jewish statement and the Sept. 11th statement, which are strictly speaking, true for all their non-illumination. It appears that her opponents have put words in her mouth and assumed the worst possible motives. Where to they assume, as I’ve often seen, that she means “Bush knew and didn’t tell anyone?” It simply is not there. Are these all the quotes? You have provided nothing outside the bounds of ordinary political discourse as of yet, not so much as a lie, much less poison. If these are all that you can provide, one would come to the conclusion that Mrs. McKinney is more honest than the average politician, something that I find most honorable. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/10 "2002-10-08T15:55:59Z")
Claiming that a sitting vice-president has a “low Negro tolerance level” is within the bounds of ordinary political discource? Citing the skin color of local election officials as evidence of black disenfranchisement is acceptable behavior to you? The suggestion that the administration ignored warnings of 9/11 so that persons close to the administration could reap “huge profits” is reasonable in your view? **Ace** , seek professional help. You truly are the **His4ever** of the left. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/11 "2002-10-08T16:09:38Z")
Just for fun: [Fark Photoshop contest](http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=320831) of a photo at the rally. ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/12 "2002-10-08T16:13:30Z")
The quote is kind of clear to me: She believes or has been led to believe that the war has been masterminded for profit motives. Here’s another quote > [@](#): > > “it is known that President Bush’s father, through the Carlyle Group had at the time of the attacks joint business interests with the bin Laden construction company and many defense-industry holdings, the stocks of which have soared since September 11.” She has ominously and repeatedly invoked an L.A. Times article that reports that the Carlyle Group made a lot of money from selling defense stocks after Sept. 11. After compiling these and many other insinuations, slanders, and irrelevancies she asked, “What did this administration know, and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered?” Taken from [here](http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg051702.asp). Notice that last sentence. And I’d like to hear your response to Ayman Asawa and his (deluded) belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/13 "2002-10-08T16:31:31Z")
**DCU** : We’re not in the pit here. Easy on the accusations of insanity, it’s really not appropriate here. As for the rest of your willful misinterpretation, I’ll state it again. I just said I didn’t countenance Mau-Mauing; but it goes on daily, you really can’t get to exercised about that. And once again, you take issue with your personal connotation of her words, while the objective denotation is accurate. Do you disagree? PS: I have a picture of the original “Axis of Insanity.” Quite good, really. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/14 "2002-10-08T16:33:14Z")
Even Zell Miller distanced himself from her loony views on the administration intentionally profiting from 9/11: > [@](#): > > At first glance, it would be easy to pass this off as just another loony statement. But at second glance, it is more than that. It is very dangerous and irresponsible. And further: > [@](#): > > I hope President Bush will remember that this is the same Congresswoman who — during each of his State of the Union addresses — arrives early to get a coveted aisle seat, then leans way over as Bush walks down the aisle, hoping he will give her a kiss for all to see on national TV. Go back a little farther and she continues to damn herself. > [@](#): > > 1996 she called supporters of her Jewish Republican congressional opponent “holdovers from the Civil War days” and “a ragtag group of neo-Confederates”. > [@](#): > > “After the majority-black district that first elected her to Congress was struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutionally gerrymandered, she lashed out at the court as racist”, writes Slate’s Chris Suellentrop. “[McKinney] compared the verdict to Dred Scott, the decision that declared slaves were nothing more than chattel, and Plessy v. Ferguson, which legitimized separate-but-equal American apartheid.” After her new white majority district reelected her, “she declared that Georgia’s kaolin industry engineered the case that eliminated her district, as payback for her fights against the industry in Congress.” > [@](#): > > McKinney penned a Washington Post op-ed, writing “I believe that when it comes to major foreign policy issues, many prefer to have black people seen and not heard.” Um, yeah. [These](http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A10364-2002Aug12¬Found=true) are the kind of people who support her: > [@](#): > > Abduraham Alamoudi, a board member of the American Muslim Council, who declared at a White House demonstration in October 2000, “We are all supporters of Hamas,” or Islamic Resistance Movement, a principle sponsor of suicide bombings in Israel. and > [@](#): > > • Sami Al-Arian, a Florida professor whose past videotaped remarks include: “Let us damn America, let us damn Israel. Let us damn their allies until death,” and “Victory to Islam, death to Israel.” When asked to clarify these remarks, this _shyster_ said: > [@](#): > > Death to Israel’ meant death to apartheid, death to oppression. . . . I never incited people to violence or murder. It never happened. You don’t judge guilt or innocence in a court of law by association, but I’ll be damned if you don’t judge people by the company they keep. And in 2001, **90%** of her campaign funding originated out of state. **Dewey** is right. Get help. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/15 "2002-10-08T16:39:05Z")
**Maeglin** : Again, I don’t think “get help,” is an appropriate response, regardless of whether you agree. Please open a thread in the pit for that; I think I’ll rather move this to GD. Mods, could we? Thanks bunches, Ace. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/16 "2002-10-08T16:39:47Z")
I’ll punt to Maeglin’s post regarding McKinney’s 9/11 views. I will add one thing, though: if, say, J.C. Watts had claimed Al Gore had a “low Negro tolerance level,” I seriously doubt you would be chalking it up to mere mau-mauing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/17 "2002-10-08T16:43:31Z")
Zell Miller? Jonah Golberg? Lot’s of people made political hay over Mrs. McKinney’s comments, though I’ve not seen any offense. That either means McKinney is indeed a loon, or a lot of people on the political scene are ass-covering lickspittles who brandish second-hand conventional wisdom to advance their own career and agenda. I’ll bet you know my answer to that one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/18 "2002-10-08T16:49:40Z")
**DCU** : You would be seriously wrong. Why would you assume such a thing? I am nothing if not consistent; I think Mau-Mauing is stupid; also that representatives make stupid statements on a daily basis. Who cares? Plus which, it’ll no longer be possible, since JC Watts is stepping down. Another Token bites the dust. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/19 "2002-10-08T16:51:30Z")
Say, how do I e-mail a moderator? All I see are the “Report this post” links… ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2002, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201/20 "2002-10-08T17:01:45Z")
Zell Miller is Georgia’s democratic governor. While certainly no liberal, I think you have an uphill battle to wage if you are going to argue that his comments are somehow motivated entirely by his own political aspirations. Ragging on a democratic rep with from his own state with no provocation is not likely to earn him many brownie points. His republican suburban constituents already like him. Why gild the lily and make trouble? [quite]ass-covering lickspittles who brandish second-hand conventional wisdom to advance their own career and agenda. [/quote] Oh, nothing at _all_ like Jihad Cindy, who backpedaled after she was called out on her ludicrous accusations of 9/11 profiteering: > [@](#): > > I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9/11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case. Greasy axles, **Ace** , greasy axles. Aside from the get help nonsense, how about you respond to my substantitive issues? GD, indeed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notes-from-the-ny-not-in-our-name-protest/131201.md?page=2)