# NotfooledbyW....AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475 "2013-06-20T16:02:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/101 "2013-06-22T09:52:21Z")
Since this is just idle chat on the internet…squeak squeak… ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/102 "2013-06-22T10:28:34Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > If you have engaged in a discussion, and while minding your own business with a few other intelligent engaging decent folk, and then along comes some buttwipe know it all, who takes a shot at one of your statements telling you that you essentially have lied by distorting that persons’s cockamamie version of reality, and that rude untruthful interloper goes around telling many blind uninformed souls that you could not defend such an indefensible lie, hollering cite, cite, cite as every other word (my hyperbole license is intact) although in the midst of the rude and malicious interruption, another poster of fine reputable persuasion and upbringing informs said interloper that the questioned statement matches the truth of the matter without a stitch of reservation, and then this rude pontificating mugger ignores the truth blaring before his eyes and he pits you hoping to bring derision and ridicule to one who merely told the truth, that you would let it go. > > Serious question. if you would let it go, are you a man or are you a mouse? > [@madsircool](#): > > Since this is just idle chat on the internet…squeak squeak… If you have a point that has any semblance of being a reality, have you informed XT or asked why XT took my original comment to Adaher so seriously that he needed to ID it as untrue? Seems to me that even if you have a point, I contend that the relativity between man and mouse remains; however starting from the baseline of all of us participating in ‘idle chat’ instead of ‘Great Debates’. Here Kitty Kitty! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/103 "2013-06-22T13:48:33Z")
Remember folks, it took several years for **gonozomax** to get banned. This guy may be on a quicker path, but we probably can’t count on it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/104 "2013-06-22T14:26:40Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > If you have engaged in a discussion, and while minding your own business with a few other intelligent engaging decent folk, and then along comes some buttwipe know it all, who takes a shot at one of your statements telling you that you essentially have lied by distorting that persons’s cockamamie version of reality, and that rude untruthful interloper goes around telling many blind uninformed souls that you could not defend such an indefensible lie, hollering cite, cite, cite as every other word (my hyperbole license is intact) although in the midst of the rude and malicious interruption, another poster of fine reputable persuasion and upbringing informs said interloper that the questioned statement matches the truth of the matter without a stitch of reservation, and then this rude pontificating mugger ignores the truth blaring before his eyes and he pits you hoping to bring derision and ridicule to one who merely told the truth, that you would let it go. I take it all back. You were more tolerable when you were pooping out detached single sentences. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/105 "2013-06-22T14:41:59Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Remember folks, it took several years for **gonozomax** to get banned. This guy may be on a quicker path, but we probably can’t count on it. Heck, I look forward to his obsolescence. “Not fooled by… W? George W. Bush? Wasn’t he, like, three presidents ago? Get over it, already.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/106 "2013-06-22T15:19:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > “Not fooled by… W? George W. Bush? Wasn’t he, like, three presidents ago? Get over it, already.” Hey, this could be just the break the Kerry campaign has been waiting for. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/107 "2013-06-22T15:21:45Z")
No, I’m pretty sure he means Washington. That crafty wood-toothed marijuana-wrangler never did fool me, either. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/108 "2013-06-22T16:11:39Z")
I think that if what **NFBW** has posted is spoken out loud in the format of formal debate, its interesting. The pauses seem nearly perfect for verbal delivery. I don’t feel qualified to comment on the substance of the facts or of the posts. I was never a Dubya fan and would happily walk barefoot for 2 chances to bean Sketchers off of his coke-emptied head. (I’ve often wondered whether, given sufficient shoes, “Stars and Stripes Forever” could be played xylophone-style off of that skull…) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/109 "2013-06-22T16:27:07Z")
Let’s assume for purposes of argument, that you’re right. I don’t know that you are. I don’t, even after reading that thread and this one, know what you and **XT** are arguing about. Something like disputing whether Blix said that Iraq was in compliance with UN requirements or substantial compliance? Anyway, I don’t particularly care. Lets say you’re right, and he’s totally misrepresented your position. What do you hope to gain by continuing this? **XT** is obviously not going to back down, and all you’re doing is annoying people, because you’re posting these giant posts about some issue that nobody really cares about and no one knows how to get you to stop. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/110 "2013-06-22T19:07:58Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I don’t feel qualified to comment on the substance of the facts or of the posts. I was never a Dubya fan and would happily walk barefoot for 2 chances to bean Sketchers off of his coke-emptied head. > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Let’s assume for purposes of argument, that you’re right. I don’t know that you are. I don’t, even after reading that thread and this one, know what you and **XT** are arguing about. Something like disputing whether Blix said that Iraq was in compliance with UN requirements or substantial compliance? Anyway, I don’t particularly care. > > Lets say you’re right, and he’s totally misrepresented your position. What do you hope to gain by continuing this? **XT** is obviously not going to back down, and all you’re doing is annoying people, because you’re posting these giant posts about some issue that nobody really cares about and no one knows how to get you to stop. I’m with you on that Count, but I think there’s still a better way before Lil Dubby croaks of old age. Perhaps a civilized conversation in the pit is against the rules. I dunno. I’ll chance it. My answer to Captain is I know XT is not going to change, and I could care less if he does. All I want here is anyone that looks at the two statements on Post #52 can just give an honest opinion if there is any significant difference in the meaning, context and substance although stated differently. Gyrate has seen no difference on substance. That’s it I’m happy just post a response to that in earnest. If you see a difference or font understand substance let me know. I’ll tell you why in later posts. I’m in and out the rest of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/111 "2013-06-22T19:17:31Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > The Crocs here, have marshmallows for teeth and no sense of smell and are blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other. Facts are real teeth. Thought is worthless if you can’t smell your prey or see it. Grow some teeth. So are you telling him to grow some marshmallows or grow some truth? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/112 "2013-06-22T20:13:11Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > If you have engaged in a discussion, and while minding your own business with a few other intelligent engaging decent folk, and then along comes some buttwipe know it all, who takes a shot at one of your statements telling you that you essentially have lied by distorting that persons’s cockamamie version of reality, and that rude untruthful interloper goes around telling many blind uninformed souls that you could not defend such an indefensible lie, hollering cite, cite, cite as every other word (my hyperbole license is intact) although in the midst of the rude and malicious interruption, another poster of fine reputable persuasion and upbringing informs said interloper that the questioned statement matches the truth of the matter without a stitch of reservation, and then this rude pontificating mugger ignores the truth blaring before his eyes and he pits you hoping to bring derision and ridicule to one who merely told the truth, that you would let it go. > > Serious question. if you would let it go, are you a man or are you a mouse? > [@Jackmannii](#): > > I take it all back. You were more tolerable when you were pooping out detached single sentences. Juss cain’t puhleeeze 'em all kin ya? But that was an enjoyable one. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/113 "2013-06-22T20:47:29Z")
The reason people can’t stand you is that you think pedantic issues are important, you don’t listen to anyone, and no matter what the topic at hand really is, you think it is all about you and your views. Such as, this whole thread is about how annoying you are. It isn’t about post 52, it isn’t about Blix, it isn’t about some other thread. But it’s like you feeble mind can’t possibly grasp what other people are saying about you, so you make your posts about Iraq. Just like in the other thread when I asked you why you feel compelled to post the way you do, and you went on to ask me several questions about Blix. For someone who started here with such a bizarre and intricate way of quoting other posters, you seem to have zero clue or interest in what anyone else is actually saying, unless you can bring up the Iraq war in response. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/114 "2013-06-22T20:47:46Z")
Could be worse. He could be NotFooledByLBJ. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/115 "2013-06-22T21:14:03Z")
LBJ! Slooooowly, I turned. Step by step… ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/116 "2013-06-22T21:19:11Z")
[QUOTE=NotfooledbyW] I’ll tell you why in later posts. I’m in and out the rest of the day. [/QUOTE] I’m sure we are all waiting with bated breath. 😛 Though, honestly, you don’t need to give any additional evidence that you are a dipshit of epic, even biblical proportions. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/117 "2013-06-22T21:28:35Z")
> [@](#): > > If you have engaged in a discussion, and while minding your own business with a few other intelligent engaging decent folk, and then along comes some buttwipe know it all, who takes a shot at one of your statements telling you that you essentially have lied by distorting that persons’s cockamamie version of reality, and that rude untruthful interloper goes around telling many blind uninformed souls that you could not defend such an indefensible lie, hollering cite, cite, cite as every other word (my hyperbole license is intact) although in the midst of the rude and malicious interruption, another poster of fine reputable persuasion and upbringing informs said interloper that the questioned statement matches the truth of the matter without a stitch of reservation, and then this rude pontificating mugger ignores the truth blaring before his eyes and he pits you hoping to bring derision and ridicule to one who merely told the truth, that you would let it go. > > Serious question. if you would let it go, are you a man or are you a mouse? -Originally Posted by NotfooledbyW I posted the above to explain why I am sticking up for myself. If that annoys people, many of whom, I have had no or little direct interaction with, so be it. > [@Ravenman](#): > > The reason people can’t stand you is that you think pedantic issues are important, you don’t listen to anyone, and no matter what the topic at hand really is, you think it is all about you and your views. > > Such as, this whole thread is about how annoying you are. It isn’t about post 52, it isn’t about Blix, it isn’t about some other thread. But it’s like you feeble mind can’t possibly grasp what other people are saying about you, so you make your posts about Iraq. > > Just like in the other thread when I asked you why you feel compelled to post the way you do, and you went on to ask me several questions about Blix. For someone who started here with such a bizarre and intricate way of quoting other posters, you seem to have zero clue or interest in what anyone else is actually saying, unless you can bring up the Iraq war in response. Perhaps you and they are easily annoyed. Do you recall this early exchange on the Bush Library thread? It was post #033 on 06/09 at 08:43 AM You staked out your position and I responded to what you wrote in the second quote: > [@](#): > > "I disagree that was the question you asked. I agree that Bush made a serious mistake, but I think he made that mistake by pretty much deciding for was in September-ish 2002, and that anyone who voted for the war resolution shares equally in the disaster that was Iraq, because they gave Bush a literal blank check to decide whether or not to go to war. > > In any case, I think the primary value of Bush’s library (as with other presidential libraries) is not to answer the question of whether he made a good decision or not, but to illuminate for historians what exactly was going through his head at the time. > > Taking an issue with whether Bush’s first choice was diplomacy gets into a pointless debate about what constitutes “first choice” and what constitutes “diplomacy.” He did ask the UN for various resolutions, and I think that’s exactly what he was referring to. > > But the fact still remains that, both in hindsight and with the foresight of many people who said so at the time, there was no good reason at all to provoke such a serious confrontation with Iraq. Originally Posted by Ravenman (Post 16364559) If you thought this was a pointless discussion why not back out. I was carrying o a discussion with Adaher. But hey, here is I guess one of my responses to you that gets all lumped into to what apparently annoys you: > [@](#): > > I would like to start with your very last paragraph and work back from there. My contention is and the indisputable historical reality exists that Saddam Hussein at the time was in violation of international law and I believe you are aware of why. > > You may disagree with that condition of global affairs but it was indeed a fact. > That means there was a reason to confront Saddam Hussein on the matter in a post-911 world. That violation of international law and order needed to be addressed in a way that could forcefully ensure a reasonably prompt resolution. (Get inspectors back in) and thereby compel the end of what Adaher brings up about the humanitarian issue caused in due part by the sanctions. > > \*\*If you will be open to where I can take the argument against what Adaher is saying it will explain and perhaps settle a lot and should prove to be interesting.\*\*Lets not approach this discussion with our absolutes like, there-was-NO-reason, if we may. That is all I ask here. > > Thanks. - NotfooledbyW #033 06-09-2013 08:43 AM I asked in a polite and reasonable way to let me finish going through some things with Adaher. ( I still want to finish up with that) Around that time I was working on a lump sum bid for my company for a project going in the range of $275 million dollars. I worked a couple of sixteen hour days prior to the bid. I’m not saying you had anything to do with it, but the whole conversation because of XT’s bs attack on my comment to Adaher ended up much differently than what I wanted to happen on that thread. It pisses me off what XT did. IF that Annoys you, I don’t worry about what I can’t control. And apparently you are not open to where I wished to take the argument against Adaher in that thread. I think that would have explained a lot. And still can. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/118 "2013-06-22T21:36:54Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > It was post #033 on 06/09 at 08:43 AM You staked out your position and I responded to what you wrote in the second quote: See, continued responses like this are why there’s a pit thread about you. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/119 "2013-06-22T21:44:02Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > My answer to Captain is I know XT is not going to change, and I could care less if he does. All I want here is anyone that looks at the two statements on Post #52 can just give an honest opinion if there is any significant difference in the meaning, context and substance although stated differently. Honestly, yea, there are, in that the other statement recognizes there are still issues (which, the summary has Blix saying can be resolved quickly). But, really, at this point, who cares? I think we all at this point recognize that Bush was going to invade Iraq regardless of what Blix said, and at this point, it’s 10 years of water under the bridge. You know, remembering back, I didn’t really like the Bush Administration. A lot of that was just that I didn’t like his policies (although I did, at the time, support the Iraq war). I’m a fairly good Democrat, and I didn’t like a lot of stuff he proposed. But, beyond that, the thing I really didn’t like was the mood. It seemed like everybody was angry, all the time. Liberals were angry because of the war and the whole response to terrorism with the indefinite detentions and stuff. Conservatives were mad at anti-war protesters and all. It was exhausting. And, I’m begging you, don’t bring that back. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/120 "2013-06-22T21:47:16Z")
I’ll just post a bit more as to how I conducted myself with Ravenman on the Bush Library thread: In post #038 at 06/09 at 09:38 AM I responded to the following from Ravenman: > [@](#): > > And to “remedy” that situation, the United States violated its commitment to the UN Charter by authorizing and carrying out a war that was inconsistent with Chapter VII of the treaty. Two wrongs don’t make a right -Originally Posted by Ravenman (Post 16365036) And here is my response Bolding is mine NOW: > [@](#): > > Just to let you know in the spirit of constructive dialogue that I one hundred percent agree with one objection and the distinction being that when the US Congress authorized military force specific to Iraq in October 2002, **Iraq was in violation of international law.** > > I agree with the argument that UN member states can enforce UN resolutions without UNSC authority such as Iraq’s disarmament agreement following the First Gulf War. > > When the US military invasion began in March 2003 however there was a changed condition with respect to international law and Iraq. Iraq was given a Final Opportunity to get into compliance and the US signed on. > > Iraq according to to UN Res 1441 was in compliance with the final opportunity afforded it when they agreed to allow inspectors in and then were in a stage of proactive cooperation by the end of Feb 2003. > > That changed legal condition means what you said is true with respect to the final decision to invade which meant kicking the succeeding UN inspectors out and attempting to disarm (in the Bush Admin’s mind) by war and regime change. I have a valid point about Iraq being in violation of international law in October 2002, but Iraq was in compliance with Iraq’s final opportunity to comply with UN Res 1441 in March 2003 when Bush decided to invade. I was not asking you to believe something that is my opinion or theory or some contrived argument .. that is a fact. Reasonable people should be able to discuss such points, counter points and settle things out see where it leads. That Iraq was in violation of international law in October 2002 is a critical point in my argument I wished to present in my thread. If I am wrong… tell me and tell me why. That is all I ask. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475.md?page=7)