# NotfooledbyW....AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475 "2013-06-20T16:02:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 712
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475/712 "2013-07-24T03:06:27Z")
XT repeats the Bush lie… “the AUMF was the instrument he (Bush) used” but cannot even try to explain how Bush was in fact ‘enforcing UN Resolutions’ when he used military force to bomb and invade Iraq in March 2003. Bush could not have used the AUMF as an instrument if he didn’t do what the Instrument directed him to do. If Bush ‘used’ the instrument of the AUMF then he would have ‘enforced all relevant UN Resolutions regarding Iraq’ and that would include 1441 which would have included waiting a few months to see those inspections resolve the disarmament of Iraq peacefully. > [@XT](#): > > Dude, seriously…you are either delusional or a complete troll. Or, more likely, you are both. > > It’s not like these events are unfolding now…they are fucking history you idiot. The AUMF DIDN’T FUCKING RESTRAIN BUSH. Didn’t you notice? He DID invade Iraq and there were NO consequences for him. HE FUCKING GOT REELECTED YOU FUCKING IDIOTIC MORON! You are either the stupidest mother fucker who has ever posted to this board or you are the biggest troll (these are not mutually exclusive, of course, and I’m willing to believe at this point that you are both). > > Again, moron, all of this is in the past. There is no benefit to give Bush…he took us to war, the AUMF was the instrument he used, and no one made a peep. You are living in a fantasy world where this document constrained him, rather than what it actually was, which was a blank check. A blank check he cashed without any ramifications to him whatsoever. None. Zero. Zippo. Nada. Fuck, the man got reelected for a second freaking term you fucking idiot! Not only were there no ramifications for doing this, the people actually voted him in for another term! > > What part of that do you NOT understand, you drooling idiot? Why did you butt in on the Bush Library thread that was about contemporaneous news just to complain about something that I wrote in response to a war supporter? And then it turns out you were the freakin’ nit-pickin’ factless fool that had it all wrong… but you ran away without defending or admitting your ignorance… Just like your ignorance in March and April 2003 when you supported the invasion that Bush had just kicked off. Yes you supported it. But when you saw it going badly… then you didn’t. You are a squeamish unprincipled nitpicker.. who does not fool me. So go skedaddle back to where you’ve been hiding since you have never demonstrated that you have anything to say that is right or informed. It has been at least ten to one against me here and I am doing just fine. If you wish to make it eleven to one… let’s see what you got. Just bring facts and reason. You had none shortly after Bush launched the invasion. Your ignorance of what the UN inspections accomplished in the first few months of 2003 is enormous. It is massive ignorance. And you attack my knowledge of what happened? > [@Will WMDs be as big as Watergate?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-wmds-be-as-big-as-watergate/187040/17): > > I can’t believe I’m even getting in this, as I can’t stand ole GW OR his administration. > However, much as I’d loved to see him trashed, I also have full use of my frigging memory, and I seem to recall that EVERYONE fucking thought that Saddam had the god damn thing!! > > I didn’t hear you people whinning about all this BEFORE the invasion. I didn’t hear the French or Germans or ANYONE ELSE (except the Iraqis) protesting that Saddam DIDN’T have the things. > > Even the UN teams THOUGHT that he had some things out there. If someone knows of a country, head of state, etc etc, that KNEW that Saddam didn’t have them, please provide some cites for said protest well in advance of the invasion. > > Personally I think ole GW and his merry men were just WRONG (and they aren’t alone in being wrong either). But they launched an invasion based on bad data, and doing so, they fucked up…royally. > I think that they will pay for it too come next election (personally I’ll vote for Mickey Mouse before GW…which will probably be my choice too). If you want to nail him/them for being stupid, for being wrong, or for exagerating what ‘evidence’ they had, cool…I’m with you. > But to say that he knowingly and deliberately mislead the American people and the world, KNOWING that Iraq DIDN’T have ANY WMD, and knowing that HE’D BE CAUGHT FOR IT (which is the only way there would be a scandle like Watergate)??? > > Bullshit. If this is the case then GW is MUCH stupider (and more importantly his STAFF is) than I can credit. I see NO logical reason for him to lie, knowing he’d be eventually caught. I DO see reasons for him to exagerate his evidence, or to look at said evidence in a biased way. He actually thought that they would find said WMD, and is probably in a state of shock that they haven’t yet. > -XT Bush’s lie was not about the WMD, XT. IT was that he wanted to disarm Iraq peacefully, but he didn’t. And the lie that covers that lie, is the LIE that Iraq was not cooperating with the UN in 2003. I see why you are sensitive to letting the truth get out that Blix said Iraq was cooperating proactively for at least a month before Bush invaded. You are a damn fool sucker for that lie from Bush. You were a sucker back then. An uninformed damn fool sucker who has no excuse because the cooperation by Iraq was easily found if you searched for the facts instead of believing Bush’s and all the pro-invasion propagandists’ lies. But suckers like you can’t admit it. You just hit and run attack those who were engaged and informed at the time and are much better informed now than you can ever be. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-aaaarrrrgggghhhh/661475)._