I understand NFbW’s point much better now. He is contending that future generations might not understand the tragedy of Iraq, which is really about a lonely weapons inspector giving a speech one morning to some diplomats who were powerless to stop the wheels of invasion that were already in motion. What an outrage, and how dare we forget.
Here I was thinking all along that the tragedy of Iraq was the 4,500 Americans killed, the many, many thousands of Iraqis who lost their lives, the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and the stain on American credibility for no actual increase the the security of the United States. I wasn’t aware that the world was on the verge of forgetting those things.
Nor was I aware that all those details were unimportant compared to the risk of overlooking a few parts of a briefing given to the striped-pants crowd who had already made up their minds anyway.
If Ravenman should get an accounting of the Iraq invasion story that is amenable to his (I was right in the first place when so many were not) version; it will be that Americans in the future will understand the tragedy of Iraq as a matter of a defiant evil-doer dictator who refused to comply with the UN; so Bush had absolutely no choice but to accelerate the “wheels of invasion” that were “already in motion” because some striped suits in the US Senate were not as smart as Ravenman was. Indeed, GW Bush has stated often that he wanted peace, but Saddam Hussein would not let the inspectors in like he asked. Yep, it was all SH’s fault for defying Bush and the hapless inspectors.
Yes, Ravenman must oppose an in depth documentary as I have proposed that is devoted to powerful opposition to all the Bush driven propaganda we have been getting and will get about the inspections and Iraq’s cooperation.
Of course the Bush regime’s dying off staffers and former administration officials, and neocons and run of the mill supporters of the US invasion of Iraq will also oppose anything that might shed some truth and fact on that critical issue of how Saddam Hussein really did not defy and obstruct the inspections. Of course that diabolical enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thinking will evolve for opposing reasons and desires. Bush wants his legacy to become that he was justified to start the Iraq invasion because SH would not comply; while Ravenman just wants everyone to think he is just such a smart man when it comes to simple matters of war and peace. None of this would have happened if all listened to him.
When a mind is simple, everything can be so simple. But the tragedy of Iraq on those statistics won’t be forgotten all that soon. What will be forgotten is that the reasons it happened are a lot more complicated than what Ravenman wants us all to believe.
I thought Ravenman could see what Bryan Ekers wrote with a critical point, that is I believe, he did not oppose the war going in, but he only opposed it after it was run so badly by Bush. There is no moral issue of whether we should have invaded. It was about failure to execute after the fact.
This is plum territory for Bush/Invasion supporters. Bush can be forgiven better with time for just being a knucklehead after the ‘justified’ war was started. IF one supports the war going in, there is no issue for that belief to be concerned if Iraq cooperated with UN inspectors or not.
To me that makes it more crucial that the truth about inspections get told and promoted.. just for the sake of having the truth out there.
I’ll just let you have your simple way of thinking about things. But it was at least five months separating the Vote for Use of Force if necessary and the day the force was used. If you are that simple that nothing could be done after critical conditions changed with Iraq going from being in violation of international law on the date of the vote to Iraq being in compliance with international law with respect to UN 1441, then there is not much that can be done about that.
Why would you oppose a truth-telling factual well done documentary on the truth that Bush is lying when he says Iraq did not respond.
Bush told you this with the announcement of war on March 17, 2003:
Our ‘good faith’… meaning Bush’s “good faith” was not returned. And that is what future generations are going to believe. Do you want that?
Sure this happens to all former Presidents… but really … The Iraq Tragedy is much bigger than this little man.
It’s the content of my posts… T&D. I do have valid points. And they are more often than not.
I don’t think you can rebut my content of the last few posts of mine. Don’t you think it odd that no one here is trying. It should be a field day shouldn’t it.
Would you be dead set against an Iraq documentary that focused entirely on the fact that Iraq did not defy inspectors in 2003 as Bush claims when he announced a war?
What about a focus on the fact that Iraq offered to let the CIA come into Iraq in December 2002?
How many people know the truth about Iraq’s compliance with UN Res 1441 and the fact that the USA had a standing offer to allow the CIA, FBI and US Military WMD experts come into Iraq?
These are valid points… and so many here must want them suppressed as we see the treatment one gets for bringing them up.
It disturbs the accepted storyline. Nobody should have given the decision making ability to start a war despite the fact that Iraq was being disarmed peacefully. Nobody should have voted in such a way?
This is The BBQ Pit. No one, here, cares what you want to natter on about.
Those who have attempted to reason with you in Great Debates realize, by now, that your odd world view allows for only your personal selection of factoids and your own redefinitions of words to suit your weird beliefs.
Why in the world would anyone waste time getting into one more of your tar pit “discussions”?
You have failed to persuade anyone that you have anything to bring to any topic on which you post. This forum is for pointing and laughing.
I’m laughing that nunya dare say you’d like to see a documentary focused entirely on the truth against the Bush propaganda that he wanted peaceful disarmament but Saddam didnt let the inspectors in.
And a thread about my posting comes from a poster who wrongly targeted a statement by me that was supposed to be false but it is true.
Either NfbW is mentally ill, or he’s trolling. Neither one is particularly funny - the first one definitely isn’t - and no matter which is true, the solution is the same:
Can I feed the guy who wants to make a documentary? Movie making is hard work. It takes a lot of time - sometimes years - and can distract a person from all sorts of leisure activities.
Plus, what this world is really missing is a documentary that is actually as long as the event that it covers.
Only in your delusional world is that even an issue. True, a lot of the Fox News audience might believe that Bush wanted peace, (and no documentary that you could present would change their minds), but the rest of the world is fully aware that he manipulated everything he could to invade Iraq in order to carry out the silly proposal of Wolfowitz’s term paper. He was on record with that idea in the year before his first election.
Acting as though you are bringing to the world, (or the SDMB), some great revelation of TRUTH is just silly.
Other than that, Brainiac4 seems to make a valid point.
I mentioned some pages back that when your posts make people from opposite ends of the spectrum come together to point out that you’re an idiot, you’re an idiot. This is the first time that I’ve ever read something by Drunky Smurf and thought he had a valid point. You, NFbW, have officially crossed the Idiot Horizon.
And you still haven’t answered my question. In fact, you rarely answer anyone’s questions, but persist in claiming that everyone else must address every point in every one of your rambling screeds or else you W1N t3h Int3rwebs or something. Frankly you’re lucky anyone is still talking to you at all.
