# NotfooledbyW, You Colossal Clod **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 10, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975 "2014-02-10T14:55:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/81 "2014-02-11T22:03:17Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > And there’s the perfect example of your utter inability to read for comprehension. Quite clearly, the analogy he was defending was the one between you and “a turd in the punch bowl at a party.” No truth to that either. Not allowed on Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/82 "2014-02-11T22:04:26Z")
This isn’t Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/83 "2014-02-11T22:20:25Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Shodan and John Mace are liars. I hever said it was not a coup. I specifically said call it a coup - it does not matter. Just so everyone knows… the issue was whether he had ever “argued” it was not a coup. He “argued” it was not a coup by endorsing a quote from someone who said exactly that. Which is technically different from “saying” it was a coup, but what he denied was that he had ever “argued” it was not a coup. But I for one am not going to get into a debate with him about it. It was already proven in the GD thread. Anyone interested can see [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17067249&postcount=428) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/84 "2014-02-11T22:24:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > On the one hand, I pretty much glaze over NFBW, because he’s kind of embarrassing. On the other hand, Shodan has called me out over some pretty idiotic misreadings of what I’ve written over the years, so I don’t trust him further than I can e-throw him. And going through four pages total from those two linked threads, I’m not seeing where NFBW says that it’s not a coup, and I’m not going to keep looking to try to substantiate Shodan’s claim. > > Shodan, wanna give us a cite to a specific post that bothers you, instead of suggesting we read 20+ pages of hot mess to find the cites? If you go back to that thread, you’ll see it’s everyone posting there except **NFBW** – not just **Shodan**. It starts on p9, post 428. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/85 "2014-02-11T23:43:18Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If you go back to that thread, you’ll see it’s everyone posting there except **NFBW** – not just **Shodan**. It starts on p9, post 428. And I even tried [to politely explain to him](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17074036&postcount=620) why people might infer that he agreed it was not a coup. Because he said: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **NotfooledbyW** > I can however show you that you are absolutely wrong to infer that I argued that the ouster of Morsi was NOT a coup because I chose to cite a third party opinion by someone who is part of the revolution in Egypt. So, he _himself_, did not write “it was not a coup”, but he agreed with (or, technically, he _goes with_ this) and quoted someone who did say it was not a coup to rebut an assertion. And, apparently, anyone that could infer that he was agreeing with someone who said “it was not a coup” because he quoted it and stated that he _goes with_ that statement is absolutely wrong and stupid. Now, the use of the word _himself_ is critical, because this will be the justification that he _himself_ never stated “it was not a coup”. He’ll qualify the difference between him writing out the words _himself_, and arguing by quoting those words, just as he does with the difference between an election and an election _itself_. I guess it’s up to the reader to infer how much and why he was agreeing (or, again technically, going with and not disavowing) with “it was not a coup”. Although, I’d caution people with regard to thinking about why **NfbW** thinks like he does. I imagine his thought processor as some sort of Rube Goldberg contraption and don’t want to look further. But, “it is not a coup” is just one throwaway example where he’ll tie himself into knots when he’s caught in a possible or actual contradiction. It reminds me of the saying that if you’re playing poker and you can’t figure out who the sucker is, it’s you. At **NfbW’s** poker table, anyone else is the sucker because it is just not possible in his mind that he _himself_ is. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/86 "2014-02-12T01:15:46Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > So, did I nail it, or did I nail it? In fairness, I think I nailed it too: > [@Ravenman](#): > > I bet you a bajillion dollars that he will eventually see this thread, and will attempt to debate what everyone has said point by point, rather than understand that we are only interested in telling him to go pound sand. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/87 "2014-02-12T01:30:16Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > In fairness, I think I nailed it too: I’d conditionally agree. He hasn’t gone into full out **NfbW** mode with wall o’texts yet, but we know it’s coming. He can’t help himself. Didn’t the Arrrrgh! thread go like 20 pages? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/88 "2014-02-12T02:07:38Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Fuck! Do I ever hate to agree with **Shodan** 😕 > > But I do. You agree that “[n]ear-psychotic toadying and self-effacement at the feet of the One True Obama is common enough”? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/89 "2014-02-12T02:16:04Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’d conditionally agree. He hasn’t gone into full out **NfbW** mode with wall o’texts yet, but we know it’s coming. He can’t help himself. Didn’t the Arrrrgh! thread go like 20 pages? [22 actually](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=694337&highlight=NotfooledbyW&page=22). I was surprised when I looked it up as I could have swore a mod had closed the thread. Instead, it was simply NFBW who had the last word, having driven everyone from the thread by sheer brute stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/90 "2014-02-12T02:52:59Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > And I even tried [to politely explain to him](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17074036&postcount=620) why people might infer that he agreed it was not a coup. Yeah, that’s the thing. Most normal people would say something like: Oh, I didn’t realliy mean it that way and I should have said something different. But you’ll never see **FooledByW** post something like that. He was right all along, and everyone else is wrong to read the plain text of his post and not understand it the way he was going to claim it was meant after he tripped over himself in some later post. It’s such a stupid little mistake, and there’s not reason to not acknowledge it and move on. Instead, he had to spend something like 3 pages of that thread trying to rewrite history. I’ve seen him, on this MB, argue that what happened in Egypt: - Was not a coup. - Was a coup. - Was an “uncommon” type of coup - Was more like a “constitutional act” Jesus Fucking Christ. The military took over. Period. There is nothing non-coup like about that, nothing uncommon about it (as military coups go), and nothing “constitutional” about it. I mean, really, a “constitutional coup” is a contradiction. If it’s constitutional, it’s not a coup! But for him, facts don’t matter. Facts are things that must be ignored or modified as necessary in order to preserve his preconceived ideas. One of which is Obama can do no wrong. If Obama declare the sky to be green, no one on this MB could convince **FooledByW** that it was, in fact, blue. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/91 "2014-02-12T03:30:55Z")
Greetings, **NotfooledbyW** , I’ve been looking forward to meeting you. From what everybody has been saying about you, I thought that I’d like to introduce myself and make your acquaintance. Watchwolf is the name, a 3/3 for 2 is the game. I’m also a die-hard 49er fan (what a bunch of losers). I fashion myself a modern Robber-Baron in the mold of Edward Longshanks (except that part about slaughtering Jews). I understand that you’re a big fan of Hussian el’Obama, and perhaps don’t have the greatest opinion of George XLIII. I was curious if you could offer a Statement of Position on these two, and anyone one else you might have strong opinions about. Thanx in advance. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/92 "2014-02-12T04:16:26Z")
Greetings, **NotfooledbyW** , I’ve been looking forward to meeting you. From what everybody has been saying about you, I’ve come to believe you _were_ fooled by W. I was curious if you could offer a cite as to why this is (or isn’t) so. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/93 "2014-02-12T04:18:58Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > In fairness, I think I nailed it too: Oh, he’s just seething at home right now, composing at least 5 walls of text that he’s certain will devastate the arguments put forward by the other posers here. There will be all sorts of coding mistakes, grammatical felonies, and outright lies. He can’t handle a situation where he’s not the predominant poster. Most people are so turned off by his threads that he ends up talking to himself a good part of the time. If he, miraculously, stays out of this thread, it will prove to himself that he’s got nothing. Maybe he’ll finally shrink away in shame, as he should have done shortly after joining this MB. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/94 "2014-02-12T15:51:06Z")
I don’t even think he’s seething. One of the annoying things about him is that he is too stupid to recognize when he has been proven wrong beyond any doubt. “I never viewed it as a coup, here’s a cite from someone who says it wasn’t a coup, I never said it wasn’t a coup, a military coup is democracy in action, Nixon’s election was invalidated because Ford was elected, the IRS scandal was fomented by the Tea Party, Obama couldn’t get Congress, the UK, or the UNSC to go along with his threats of force against Assad and that forced Putin to make a deal that is working masterfully although it’s stalled, Egypt’s literacy rates are too low for an election even though Pakistan has done it and their rates are twenty points lower” - he will say shit like this, and when it is pointed out how mind-bogglingly dumb it is, he ignores it and goes right ahead posting something even worse. I have rarely seen a poster so impervious to the Clue-by-four. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/95 "2014-02-12T15:54:48Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I wonder if Shodan will ever get the irony of this topic… Apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/96 "2014-02-12T16:25:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I love that **Elvis** thinks his contributions to the board are qualitatively different from **Shodan** ’s. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently not. I’m amused. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/97 "2014-02-12T16:27:08Z")
Maybe **NotfooledbyW** is just misunderstood. All we need to do is be kinder and try to be more considerate. I’m sure that all we have to do is treat him with respect and dignity and we’ll rather quickly find him a generous and charitable soul just wishing to make friends. C’mon everyone, what harm is there is at least trying? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/98 "2014-02-12T16:27:52Z")
Which is basically the only purpose **ElvisL1ves** ever serves on these boards. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/99 "2014-02-12T17:02:46Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Yeah, the only people I’ve heard use phrases like “The Messiah Obama” have been really-right-wingers, as in “frothing out of the right wing of their mouths” like Rush. > > Really scary to think someone actually embodies the Tea Party’s straw man. > > I don’t remember running into him lately (but I mostly hang out here; does he show up in GD?) Same thing here. I have seen NO evidence of Obama worship; I do remember the Reagan era and saw plenty of evidence of Reagan worship (and still do). Oh, yeah, there are artists who drew Obama as Jesus, etc. Name a public figure who hasn’t had someone do that, really. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975/100 "2014-02-13T08:23:45Z")
(-John Mace 02-01-2014 09:42 PM) As much as I feel for the Egyptian people, and wish them the very best, the idea that Morsi, a member of THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, wasn’t going to tilt the country in an Islamist direction is, well, laughable. I don’t care what he said during the election. It was THE MUSLIM FREAKIN’ BROTHERHOOD!!! \<“Cite” So J.Mace understands all along during our conversation over there that Morsi was tilting the country in an Islamist direction but sides with all the proponents _(Shodan, Human Action, Dasmoocher to name a few)_ of forcing US ‘STANDARDS’ for democratic elections onto the Egyptian people that he claims in the very same sentence to ‘feel for’ and wish them the very best. Any sane, rational, clear headed American who wishes the best for the Egyptians going through a revolution and transition from authoritarian rule to democracy would cheer the second revolt in Egypt and toss out the ‘imposers’ of an “Islamist” instead of a rights and freedom “DIRECTION” for the proud and courageous people of Egypt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notfooledbyw-you-colossal-clod/680975.md?page=6)