# Nothing Is Wrong Witha Low Income Guy Getting An Escort **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160 "2012-03-08T16:42:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/81 "2012-03-08T19:14:08Z")
> [@Time\_Like\_Tears](#): > > The Super Checklist of Everything We Could Possibly Ask For in an Opinion Thread > > -OP whose opinion is in opposition to the general population of the SDMB > -An opportunity to fight ignorance > -Well-meaning posters who compose thoughtful advice for the OP > -Snarky posters who provide intelligent comic relief > -OP (or contributing poster) justifies opinion by means that don’t come anywhere near justification of the opinion > -Underlying Issues® > -Hookers > -Suggestions that OP (or contributing poster) obtain psychological evaluations and/or counseling > Surely I am missing more, but this is definitely a start to a perfect thread. - OP with atrocious spelling, punctuation and/or grammar skills. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/82 "2012-03-08T19:15:21Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > barking up the wrong prostitute. That costs extra. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/83 "2012-03-08T19:17:14Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > - OP with atrocious spelling, punctuation and/or grammar skills. That costs extra, too. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/84 "2012-03-08T19:24:59Z")
> [@Yakuza](#): > > What can I invest $800 a month in? I don’t think there is too much that u can use 2 invest $800 a month in. I’m better off saving the money I have left overw after escorts until 2025 so I can have a lot of savings built up and I will have moved up in management by then so I can get a girlfriend You earn $800/month, half of which you spend on prostitutes. After your hooker habit, you’re left with a paltry $400/month to live on. How _on freakin’ EARTH_ do you expect to save anything from that? Do you not pay any sort of rent/mortgage? Do you not eat food? What about clothes? Do you wear any? And transportation? How do you provide it for yourself? You are a hooker’s dream come true. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/85 "2012-03-08T19:26:51Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > You earn $800/month, half of which you spend on prostitutes. After your hooker habit, you’re left with a paltry $400/month to live on. How _on freakin’ EARTH_ do you expect to save anything from that? Do you not pay any sort of rent/mortgage? Do you not eat food? What about clothes? Do you wear any? And transportation? How do you provide it for yourself? > > You are a hooker’s dream come true. Hey now, back off! He has a _plan_! He’s gonna be in _management_! ---
**Author:** ![Yakuza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/bbce88/32.png) [@Yakuza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yakuza)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/86 "2012-03-08T19:36:22Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > You earn $800/month, half of which you spend on prostitutes. After your hooker habit, you’re left with a paltry $400/month to live on. How _on freakin’ EARTH_ do you expect to save anything from that? Do you not pay any sort of rent/mortgage? Do you not eat food? What about clothes? Do you wear any? And transportation? How do you provide it for yourself? > > You are a hooker’s dream come true. I don’t have any rent 2 pay. I hang out in wi-fi spots all day. I use public electrical plug ins for my electronic devices such as my android phone, portable DVD player and Playstation 3. The only bill I have 2 pay is 4 my storage where I keep my stuff. I’ll get more into how I live in another subject but I thought I would just give u all an idea of how I save money ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/87 "2012-03-08T19:38:52Z")
> [@Yakuza](#): > > U don’t have 2 refer to escorts as animals that should be sild for cheap. That is morally wrong unless u know for certain that the escort is a bitch I can see how dogs might cost a couple hundred bucks. That doesn’t mean I approve of it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/88 "2012-03-08T19:42:13Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I don’t understand the controversy. Spend your money any way you like. Indeed. Perhaps in another life—next week, let’s say—you can come back as a guy who spends all his hard-earned _pesos_ on cockfighting, or an abused pre-teen girl whose stepfather is stealing her lunch money. The “poor guy who fucks prostitutes” thing isn’t really pushing all the right SDMB buttons. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/89 "2012-03-08T19:42:54Z")
I was going to say that spending $300 or $400 a month on prostitutes was a bad idea, but now that I know the OP is charging his electronic stuff for free, I can see it’s all going to work out. I’m not sure why the free wifi and charging the electronics in public are supposed to be points in his favor since he’s living rent free and might not have to pay for that stuff either, but the prostitutes are definitely a better investment. Eventually the money he’s saving on free wifi and no electrical bills will have to add up to more than $300 or $400 a month on hookers, and then he’s in the black for good. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/90 "2012-03-08T19:46:59Z")
You can spend your money on whatever you want (although half your take-home seems a bit excessive) but something to consider is this. The more evenings you spend with hookers, the less evenings there will be looking for someone who likes you and doesn’t care about your money (or lack thereof). I’m pretty sure the Lovely and Talented Mrs. **Shodan** wasn’t attracted to my money when we met - I didn’t have any. But she still went out with me. Dating on a budget is like living on a budget - there’s no need to apologize for it to anybody. But women who won’t go out with you because you don’t have a cool car or expensive clothes are doing you a favor - they are striking themselves off your list before you waste a lot of time and money on them. Another thing is, thinking about a date purely as a means to the end of getting laid, paradoxically enough, tends to reduce your chances of getting laid. “I’m only talking to you on the off chance I might get into your pants” is not the most attractive vibe in the world. For whatever it’s worth. I haven’t been on a first date in thirty five years. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/91 "2012-03-08T19:47:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Find me a god that provides women and I will consider worshiping it. This guy’s god is a cheapskate. Makes him pay for the women. You can manage that, yourself without that god’s help. I’d give this god two thumbs down on the worship. ---
**Author:** ![Yakuza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/bbce88/32.png) [@Yakuza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yakuza)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/92 "2012-03-08T19:59:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I was going to say that spending $300 or $400 a month on prostitutes was a bad idea, but now that I know the OP is charging his electronic stuff for free, I can see it’s all going to work out. I’m not sure why the free wifi and charging the electronics in public are supposed to be points in his favor since he’s living rent free and might not have to pay for that stuff either, but the prostitutes are definitely a better investment. Eventually the money he’s saving on free wifi and no electrical bills will have to add up to more than $300 or $400 a month on hookers, and then he’s in the black for good. I appreciate u 4 seeing the positive side of this situation ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/93 "2012-03-08T20:00:21Z")
> [@Yakuza](#): > > I appreciate u 4 seeing the positive side of this situation Yeah, there was no sarcasm in this post. None in this one either. I’m finding this story more and more believable. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/94 "2012-03-08T20:04:46Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > The “poor guy who fucks prostitutes” thing isn’t really pushing all the right SDMB buttons. Nobody has asked him if he is circumcised. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/95 "2012-03-08T20:11:34Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Nobody has asked him if he is circumcised. Or hates the fat whores. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/96 "2012-03-08T20:12:48Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Nobody has asked him if he is circumcised. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Or hates the fat whores. Or if he believes in tipping. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/97 "2012-03-08T20:12:52Z")
> [@Yakuza](#): > > I don’t have any rent 2 pay. I hang out in wi-fi spots all day. I use public electrical plug ins for my electronic devices such as my android phone, portable DVD player and Playstation 3. The only bill I have 2 pay is 4 my storage where I keep my stuff. I’ll get more into how I live in another subject but I thought I would just give u all an idea of how I save money So, do you live in mom’s basement? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/98 "2012-03-08T20:16:59Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **Yakuza** , why don’t you put together a business plan and start your _own_ escort service? You’d have somewhere to invest your disposable income _and_ you could deduct your own use of the escorts as overhead. No good salesman would even _think_ of trying to sell a product he hadn’t tested himself. You can’t sell it if you’re not sold on it, yourself! ---
**Author:** ![Corcaigh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Corcaigh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corcaigh)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/99 "2012-03-08T20:17:19Z")
> [@Yakuza](#): > > Its a known fact that a man needs a woman. Huh? 😕 > [@](#): > > In today’s society, getting a girl has become a major challenge for guys who don’t make a decent amount of money. I don’t know what sort of women (non ‘escorts’) you have met in your life, but (IMO) you sound like you’ve led a very sheltered, religious, upbringing, and are quite possibly scared of women. You pay women to spend time with you because they have to spend that time with you. I think you are aware that there is something wrong with your lifestyle, why else would you post about it on here? No one knows, or cares how you spend your money and if you hadn’t said anything no one would have known. Like they say, “who are you trying to convince. Me, or you?” I had a crappy childhood and find it very difficult to speak to people, and have a terrible track record with men. I finally woke up to what my problem was and sorted myself out. Like the old saying goes _you have to learn to love yourself before you can expect someone else to love you._ You are wrong in your assumptions that all women are looking for a rich guy. I have seen many threads online where the question “what are you looking for in a man?” has been raised, and the ability to make a woman laugh, make her feel safe, and cherished come out tops. Very very rarely does anyone say “a big pay packet” or a certain type of very expensive car, ownership of a house or whatever. None of my gal pals are with a man because he’s rich, I’ve never dated a guy based on his income. Any agony aunt would tell you to get out and meet people - stop looking for a relationship and/or sex and just talk to people. Even if nothing comes of it (and it sounds to me like you think you must get married at some point in your life) you’ll have a social life and friends to hang out with. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160/100 "2012-03-08T20:18:46Z")
Okay, folks, now for something completely different. [sub](See how many items we can add to the check-list here)[/sub] This OP certainly has something wrong going on. I can see certainly that this is true, but only _vaguely_ what the problem actually is. I can’t see enough detail to make a meaningfully _helpful_ diagnosis or offer any _actual specific practical_ suggestions. I mean, beyond the obvious surface-level details about the spelling and grammar and that opulent $800/mo salary. Now, everybody: What have I just said different than what everybody else knows about this case? Nothing, that’s what. Here’s a guy who can’t attract a GF and he doesn’t know why and all the responses are either (a) snark, or (b) vague suggestions of what he should do. Very little that’s actually specific that he can actually go out and start doing now. (Except possibly improving his education.) Getting professional counselling (as suggested by some) costs about the same per hour as prostitutes, with absolutely NO guarantee (or even likelihood) of anything useful coming from it. (Don’t ask me how I know all that.) Everyone “knows” that guys without much money, income, a car, or a job can’t get the girl. Yet there are guys lacking any or all these things that have GF’s or wives. Everyone “knows” that a guy has to be a handsome gorgeous hunk to get a GF. Yet there are not-so-good-looking-at-all guys with GF’s. (What’s that I read above? **WhyNot** ditched a young gorgeous college prof to set up housekeeping with an old disabled guy?) Everyone “knows” that a guy has to be outgoing, gregarious, witty, charming, and funny to get a GF. Yet there are shy, quiet, introverted guys who don’t talk much with GF’s. Everyone “knows” that the females only want “tall” guys, and short guys haven’t got a chance. Yet there are… [sub]Uh, I’ll get back to you on that one.[/sub] Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. There are infinitely many things a guy has to do or be to get the girl that everyone “knows”, and every one of those things you’ll find guys lacking, yet they have GF’s. And yet… And yet… The boards are still crawling with the **Yakuza** ’s of the world who can’t get a date to save their lives. So what’s wrong with those dudes? They could be doing everything (?) right and still be sitting home alone their whole lives. Witness this quote, describing a stereotype: > [@Ladies, do you find Rick Santorum sexy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ladies-do-you-find-rick-santorum-sexy/354825/10): > > Rick Santorum looks like that guy in high school who… well, you couldn’t put your finger on it. He didn’t have some awful skin disease. He wasn’t shunned as a nerd. He didn’t have horrible coke-bottle glasses, his mother didn’t cut his hair with an upturned bowl, you couldn’t smell his breath at twenty paces, he didn’t chew with his mouth open, and he didn’t snort when he laughed. And yet, and yet… _he couldn’t get a date to save his life._ > > Not unattractive, but not even in the same zip code as sexy. (Okay, so even Santorum managed to get married somehow. Plenty others don’t.) There are ugly guys with GF’s and good-(enough)-looking ones without. There are poor guys with GF’s and well-employed financially comfy ones without. There are jackass bastard shitheads with GF’s and genial, amiable, polite guys without. There are drug-addled crazies with GF’s and sober intelligent guys without. There are high-school drop-outs with GF’s and college grads without. (Hmmmm… Is there some pattern here?) There are short guys with… Uh, we’re still waiting on that one. Stay tuned. There’s been a thread around for a few years (that gets resurrected every now and then) in which posters vie for bragging rights on how recently they got laid, or how many years it’s been the last time. (It think the record was something around 40+ years.) There’s that on-going dating advice thread. What’s it up to now? 2500 posts or so? Has anyone written anything there that’s helped anyone? I’ve seen articles from Silican Valley about women who run “dating coaching” services, at exorbitant prices, to coach all the hi-tech software geniuses and electronics engineers who look sharp, dress sharp, pull $80K, drive a late-model Prius, and still can’t get a second date. What do any of you posters knows about what **Yakuza** issues really are, or what to do about it. If he learns to write like Winston Churchill he still won’t have a GF. Is he decent-looking? How well does he dress? A million things you-all can’t tell from his posts here. A few things you-all CAN tell, but nobody here can really tell why he can’t get a GF, or really what to do about it. Just like in that on-going dating thread. So half of the posters are doing just what we do in America (and maybe everywhere) with guys like that: We give them meaningless vacuous advice, bull-shit, double-talk, and lies (BSDL) and maybe some empty encouragement (somewhere out there there’s just the girl for you), and when all that fails, put-downs, snark, and heels ground in their faces. And we pile on the stereotyped ideas of what people really do or don’t want in relationships, all to the end of making it all the sorry guy’s own damn fault, or to deny that losers like that can even really exist at all. (Witness those two recent nearby threads that **grude** started.) ( **Yakuza** , how tall are you, by the way? ) Maybe – just maybe – Mr. **Yakuza** will find that one-in-a-million perfectly compatible fish in the sea, and live happily ever after. Or maybe not. But I double that anything anyone can write here will have much to do with it, one way or another. (Well, except maybe the suggestion to get more education, but even that’s no guarantee.) Okay, I’m going to click “Submit” now before I dare re-read all the above. One… Two… Three… Done! ETA: That idea to start his own escort service is a good one too, but I think he’ll first need to get some of that management experience that he’s so looking forward to in the next 10-15 years. More ETA: I see that a _whole lot_ of new posts have been posted in the time I spent writing all the above! So some things might get a little out of context. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nothing-is-wrong-witha-low-income-guy-getting-an-escort/615160.md?page=6)