# Notre Dame to join the ACC as a partial member? As an ACC fan I say NOOOOOOOOOOOO **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 12, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508 "2012-09-12T14:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/21 "2012-09-12T19:54:05Z")
with the addition of Pitt and Syracuse, Notre Dame typically plays at least two ACC teams anyways each season. Duke, UNC, Boston College, Wake Forest, Ga Tech has been on their schedule in the last few years. I am an ACC fan, and do not like Notre Dame, I think it is a coup for for the ACC. Having not seen the details, I imagine that Notre Dame away games will be broadcast by NBC. Giving NBC as many as 10 or 11 ND games a season to broadcast. I also think it will be incentive for Clemson, FSU and Va Tech to stay in the ACC. And if the ACC has Notre Dame, other conferences will not have ND. Pitt, Syracuse, and ND. 15 teams for the ACC. 5 team divisions in B-Ball? Home and Home within your division? one game per year outside your division? Thats 18 conference games. How are DUKE/UNC going to play two conference games per year? No way they put those two teams in the same conference. It would be unfair to the other three teams in that conference. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/22 "2012-09-12T19:56:09Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I did a quick search for an ACC TV contract - didn’t see one. Got a link? [This suggests](http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/9/12/3321016/notre-dame-acc-television-money-espn) the current contract is $17m per team - but yeah, $20m per is probably accurate after a renegotiation. > > Subtract out the $9m that ND currently gets from NBC, and that’s $11m/year. Notre Dame just completed a $2 billion capital campaign that ran 7 years - that’s almost $300 million a year. So yeah - I think that suggesting that ND’s donations would decrease by about $11m/year isn’t too outrageous. I seriously doubt it, but I agree that it seems to be a cool rivalry that ND would like to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/23 "2012-09-12T19:57:57Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > with the addition of Pitt and Syracuse, Notre Dame typically plays at least two ACC teams anyways each season. Duke, UNC, Boston College, Wake Forest, Ga Tech has been on their schedule in the last few years. > > I am an ACC fan, and do not like Notre Dame, I think it is a coup for for the ACC. Having not seen the details, I imagine that Notre Dame away games will be broadcast by NBC. Giving NBC as many as 10 or 11 ND games a season to broadcast. > > I also think it will be incentive for Clemson, FSU and Va Tech to stay in the ACC. And if the ACC has Notre Dame, other conferences will not have ND. > Pitt, Syracuse, and ND. 15 teams for the ACC. 5 team divisions in B-Ball? Home and Home within your division? one game per year outside your division? Thats 18 conference games. > > How are DUKE/UNC going to play two conference games per year? No way they put those two teams in the same conference. It would be unfair to the other three teams in that conference. I don’t think NBC would be able to lock in ND away games. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/24 "2012-09-12T20:00:25Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I don’t think NBC would be able to lock in ND away games. Yeah, I don’t see how that would work either. The home team always has broadcast rights, don’t they? > [@](#): > > I seriously doubt it, but I agree that it seems to be a cool rivalry that ND would like to continue. You’d be surprised. I know a few people that have worked for ND Development over the years, and the #1 factor in fundraising success has always been the success of the football team. Donations drastically dropped when they fired Ty Willingham. Cutting Navy off the schedule would likely elicit a similar reaction from the alumni. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/25 "2012-09-12T20:27:49Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Yeah, I don’t see how that would work either. The home team always has broadcast rights, don’t they? > > You’d be surprised. I know a few people that have worked for ND Development over the years, and the #1 factor in fundraising success has always been the success of the football team. Donations drastically dropped when they fired Ty Willingham. Cutting Navy off the schedule would likely elicit a similar reaction from the alumni. Yeah, it’s amazing how that works. It’s the same at UGA. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/26 "2012-09-12T21:47:02Z")
Why would they join the ACC after snubbing their nose at the Big 10 for twenty years? Is the ACC membership really that much more lucrative? I wouldn’t think so; and the B10 seems like a better fit geographically too. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/27 "2012-09-12T21:51:17Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Why would they join the ACC after snubbing their nose at the Big 10 for twenty years? Because the Big 10 has always added the stipulation that they join as a football school as well. > [@](#): > > and the B10 seems like a better fit geographically too. There’s no advantage to be gained by joining a bunch of geographically similar schools anymore. This gives them an extremely strong footing into the south (Florida, especially) for recruiting, which they haven’t really enjoyed for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/28 "2012-09-12T22:19:50Z")
I still think this is one step toward ND joining the ACC in football. They could keep USC, Navy and rotate between Mich & Purdue. Don’t they skip Michigan every once in a while as it stands? I can’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/29 "2012-09-12T22:37:49Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I still think this is one step toward ND joining the ACC in football. They could keep USC, Navy and rotate between Mich & Purdue. Don’t they skip Michigan every once in a while as it stands? I can’t remember. Maybe you’re right. Maybe they will add another team and split into divisions when Notre Dame’s current TV contract expires. > [@](#): > > ETA: I thought you were a Georgia fan. I am. Undergrad at an ACC school, grad school at UGA. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/30 "2012-09-12T23:07:39Z")
Duke has not really competed in ACC FB for about 50 years so what’s the big deal about this? ---
**Author:** ![Snupzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Snupzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snupzilla)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/31 "2012-09-12T23:10:25Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Either the Big 12 or the ACC is going to be on the chopping block going forward. This almost guarantees that it will now be the Big 12. They’re going to need to wait 13 year to pick apart the Big 12 due to the grant of rights. The 4 other big conferences would need to all actively collude together and get most of the Big 12 members to want to call it quits to break it up. Texas and Oklahoma are happy with the current set up and what’s the point of grabbing the others to satisfy a weird need for symmetry? To me, the Notre Dame move is a sign of the end of realignment not a new flash point, It’ll be five conference era for at least the next decade and a half, and its a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![UTejas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UTejas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UTejas)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/32 "2012-09-12T23:15:03Z")
The biggest change in the whole thing was setting the ACC exit fee to $50 million. The exit fee will also apply to Notre Dame. Plus, the tv contract will be renegotiated and will be right in the neighborhood of the Big XII. The ND addition is going to give the ACC stability for quite some time; for that reason alone it was a genius move. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/33 "2012-09-12T23:29:50Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I still think this is one step toward ND joining the ACC in football. They could keep USC, Navy and rotate between Mich & Purdue. Don’t they skip Michigan every once in a while as it stands? I can’t remember. I don’t disagree with that. Cutting Michigan St., Purdue and Stanford isn’t too hard of a choice (except Stanford, since guaranteeing one game a year in California is pretty important), especially if the money is there. ND has been slowly adding ACC teams to the football schedule recently, which makes me wonder how long this move has actually been in the works. (Michigan has been steady on the schedule for about 15 years - there was a long black out period there, mostly due to Michigan not liking it when ND started winning.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/34 "2012-09-13T00:48:23Z")
Michigan/ND have a thing where they schedule 10-12 years of games, then take 2 off, and start over again. I’m pretty sure we are approaching an off cycle in '18, and I Don’t think they have scheduled after the break yet. But there is an assumption by everybody they will. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/35 "2012-09-17T20:24:56Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > You know, it isn’t, or shouldn’t be, all about money. I frankly don’t give a damn whether this is a profitable arrangement for the ACC. As I suggested, you could also make the league more profitable by freeing Duke and UNC from their ACC basketball schedules and letting them schedule big-ticket arena games. > > This is college athletics, damn it. At some point, tradition ought to trump $$$. What does tradition have to do with it? I though you were upset because it was unfair, and that a similar decision could allow them to lose a football team because it would make them more money. In other words, you see this as detrimental to the sport, even if it is beneficial to the ACC and ND. That makes sense. Crying for tradition does not. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/36 "2012-09-17T20:56:38Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Subtract out the $9m that ND currently gets from NBC, … Where did you find that? The $9mil figure was for the previous NBC contract that expired in 2010. The terms of the current contract have never been exactly reported. [According to this](http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/1576/nbc-likely-to-hold-on-to-notre-dame)… > [@](#): > > NBC reportedly pays $15 million a year on its current contract which runs until 2015. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/37 "2012-09-17T22:48:54Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Thoughts? Notre Dame _Sucks!_ ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/38 "2012-09-25T21:42:01Z")
Wow, who saw this coming? [Notre Dame is calling off the Michigan game after 2014](http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8423552/notre-dame-fighting-irish-opts-series-michigan-wolverines). I guess turnabout is fair play, and this paves the road to getting ready for full membership into the ACC (or at least I guess, an easier schedule as they foresee Brian Kelly really putting this team in a position to compete for a national championship), but it’s disappointing. They’re certainly on their way to telling the rest of the Big 10 to go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/39 "2012-09-26T14:22:05Z")
I had heard rumblings that UM would be the most likely to go among the current Big 10 “rivals.” I would have rather dropped Purdue. I don’t know if it means full ACC membership or actually a way to keep some independence. Five ACC games plus traditional rivals UM, MSU, PU, Navy, Stanford and USC only left room for 1 “free” game. ND has been on a barnstorming kick lately where they play a game at a nuetral site every year. Keeping all the traditional rivals would have meant the exact same home games every other year if they kept the barnstorming game. The Columbus sports radio talking heads made for good entertainment yesterday regarding this development. They demand that Jim Delaney force MSU and Purdue to cancel ND immediately. Nobody pushes around the Big 10 like that!! Nevermind that ND means big $ and they would never be able to schedule comparitively big opponents with that little notice. There’s also talk that UM may cancel the last game in the new plan, which would be at ND in 2014. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/40 "2012-09-26T14:27:00Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I had heard rumblings that UM would be the most likely to go among the current Big 10 “rivals.” I would have rather dropped Purdue. > > I don’t know if it means full ACC membership or actually a way to keep some independence. Five ACC games plus traditional rivals UM, MSU, PU, Navy, Stanford and USC only left room for 1 “free” game. ND has been on a barnstorming kick lately where they play a game at a nuetral site every year. Keeping all the traditional rivals would have meant the exact same home games every other year if they kept the barnstorming game. > > The Columbus sports radio talking heads made for good entertainment yesterday regarding this development. They demand that Jim Delaney force MSU and Purdue to cancel ND immediately. Nobody pushes around the Big 10 like that!! Nevermind that ND means big $ and they would never be able to schedule comparitively big opponents with that little notice. There’s also talk that UM may cancel the last game in the new plan, which would be at ND in 2014. I’d have rather ND dropped Purdue also. Maybe that has something to do with ND needing to keep on good terms with Indiana politicians though. As for Columbus sports talking heads, I’ve heard them and they’re “All Ohio State all the time” idiots. Pay them no mind. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508.md?page=3)