# Notre Dame to join the ACC as a partial member? As an ACC fan I say NOOOOOOOOOOOO **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 12, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508 "2012-09-12T14:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/41 "2012-09-27T02:21:51Z")
Awww…does the Big1G have their feelings hurt? Over the last 30 years, the current ACC line-up has as many national championships as the Big1G. Going with the AP winner up until BCS: Big1G - Penn State (82, 86), Michigan (97), Nebraska (94, 95), Michigan (97), and Ohio State (02) ACC - Miami (83, 87, 89, 91, 01) and FSU (93, 99) Go back one more year and the ACC has _more_ (Clemson 81). ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/42 "2012-09-27T02:42:54Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Awww…does the Big1G have their feelings hurt? Over the last 30 years, the current ACC line-up has as many national championships as the Big1G. Going with the AP winner up until BCS: > > Big1G - Penn State (82, 86), Michigan (97), Nebraska (94, 95), Michigan (97), and Ohio State (02) > ACC - Miami (83, 87, 89, 91, 01) and FSU (93, 99) > > Go back one more year and the ACC has _more_ (Clemson 81). Personally, I think you should only credit a conference with having the national champion if the team was in the league that year. PSU was and independent in '82 & 86, Nebraska was in the Big 12 in 94 & 95 and Miami didn’t join the ACC until 2004. By that method, the Big10 has 2 and the ACC has 2, 3 if you count Clemson. The Big 10 Network may show the 1971 Oklahoma/Nebraska game on its Big 10’s Greatest Games show, but that was a Big 8 game. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/43 "2012-09-27T02:43:26Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Awww…does the Big1G have their feelings hurt? Over the last 30 years, the current ACC line-up has as many national championships as the Big1G. Going with the AP winner up until BCS: > > Big1G - Penn State (82, 86), Michigan (97), Nebraska (94, 95), Michigan (97), and Ohio State (02) > ACC - Miami (83, 87, 89, 91, 01) and FSU (93, 99) > > Go back one more year and the ACC has _more_ (Clemson 81). I think you should only count championships from when a team was a member of the conference. Goodbye Penn State and Nebraska and fare well to Miami. Using AP championships since 1936 when it began (why no love for the coaches?): B1G - Michigan (48, 97), Ohio State (42, 54, 68, 02), Minnesota (36, 40, 41, 60) ACC - Clemson (81), Florida State (93, 99), Maryland (53) ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/44 "2012-09-27T02:59:57Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > I think you should only count championships from when a team was a member of the conference. Goodbye Penn State and Nebraska and fare well to Miami. > > Using AP championships since 1936 when it began (why no love for the coaches?): > > B1G - Michigan (48, 97), Ohio State (42, 54, 68, 02), Minnesota (36, 40, 41, 60) > ACC - Clemson (81), Florida State (93, 99), Maryland (53) Umm…the ACC wasn’t founded until 1953, so let’s start there: B1G - Michigan (97), Ohio State (02) ACC - Clemson (81), Florida State (93, 99) ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/45 "2012-09-27T03:22:25Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Umm…the ACC wasn’t founded until 1953, so let’s start there: > > B1G - Michigan (97), Ohio State (02) > ACC - Clemson (81), Florida State (93, 99) Let me help you with that. B1G - Michigan (97), Ohio State (54, 68, 02), Minnesota (60), ACC - Maryland (53), Clemson (81), Florida State (93, 99) I did forget to add Michigan State in the earlier list, but they won in 1952 before the ACC was formed. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/46 "2012-09-27T11:34:48Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > Let me help you with that. > > B1G - Michigan (97), Ohio State (54, 68, 02), Minnesota (60), > ACC - Maryland (53), Clemson (81), Florida State (93, 99) > > I did forget to add Michigan State in the earlier list, but they won in 1952 before the ACC was formed. Yeah, brain went a little out when I was copying (the beer had _nothing_ to do with it I’m sure). More to say later, but I’m running late this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/47 "2012-09-27T14:13:35Z")
Oh good - another thread devolving into “this conference is better than that conference”. When do we get to start comparing OOC games - that’s the “best” part of these… Now I remember why I loved having ND being independent. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/48 "2012-09-27T14:24:47Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Oh good - another thread devolving into “this conference is better than that conference”. When do we get to start comparing OOC games - that’s the “best” part of these… Now I remember why I loved having ND being independent. I have a feeling B1G fans won’t want to compare conferences in this particular year. Even the most fanatical B1G lovers will admit this is the worst their conference has been in decades. As for the Cbus locals, they just hate ND. They’ve been clammoring for all B1G teams to drop ND in all sports for a while. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/49 "2012-09-27T23:25:43Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Awww…does the Big1G have their feelings hurt? Over the last 30 years, the current ACC line-up has as many national championships as the Big1G. Going with the AP winner up until BCS: > > Big1G - Penn State (82, 86), Michigan (97), Nebraska (94, 95), Michigan (97), and Ohio State (02) > ACC - Miami (83, 87, 89, 91, 01) and FSU (93, 99) > > Go back one more year and the ACC has _more_ (Clemson 81). If that ‘pass interference’ gets called correctly, you can reverse the '02 to the ACC : D&R : ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/50 "2012-09-28T00:54:55Z")
When one thinks about it, all Notre Dame is doing by joining the ACC is re-joining many of its previous traditional rivals (ie Pitt, Georgia Tech, BC, Miami, Syracuse) who preceded it into the ACC. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/51 "2012-09-28T03:36:42Z")
That’s a pretty loose definition of “traditional”, especially compared to the Big 10 rivalries they’ll be leaving. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/52 "2012-09-28T20:52:51Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > That’s a pretty loose definition of “traditional”, especially compared to the Big 10 rivalries they’ll be leaving. ND will still be playing MSU and Purdue, both of which are still in the Big 10. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/53 "2012-09-29T00:16:28Z")
For now. Purdue will be the next to drop. MSU will hang in there until they have to drop Stanford. Then MSU will go, followed by (unfortunately) Navy. USC will be the last to go. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/54 "2012-09-29T02:15:35Z")
If Cincy joins the Big-10, USF goes to C-USA, and Louisville to the SEC, shouldn’t the BE and ACC merge? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/55 "2012-09-29T03:02:00Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > If Cincy joins the Big-10, USF goes to C-USA, and Louisville to the SEC, shouldn’t the BE and ACC merge? Can we limit this to ND, the Big Ten, and the ACC? There have been umpteen million “what if?” conference threads in the last year, and they’re all total nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508/56 "2012-09-29T03:47:41Z")
**Munch** -Uncle! My scenario had 3 BIG “what ifs” anyway. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/notre-dame-to-join-the-acc-as-a-partial-member-as-an-acc-fan-i-say-noooooooooooo/634508.md?page=2)