# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/221 "2004-11-03T02:46:18Z")
Damn, taking forever to get a thread in…is the board running slow tonight?? BTW DtC, have you checked the exit polls verse the raw data in Ohio?? Check [here](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html). Its 52% Bush 48% Kerry…exit poll is 51% Kerry 49% Bush. Guess Diebold is cheatin there too, ehe? -XT ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/222 "2004-11-03T02:46:27Z")
> [@](#): > > In Kentucky, Bunning and Mongiardo are literally neck and neck. It’s a 50/50 split with 91% reporting. It was within 1000 votes there for a while, but Bunning has opened up to about 20,000 once the last 10% of the vote started coming in. Still possible, I guess, depending on who is still out, but not looking good. I am disappointed in my home state. Bunning basically took a whiz on the whole process, and there’s no way he can serve out a six-year term. (Popular rumor: Gov. Ernie Fletcher, whose first year as KY’s first Republican governor in decades has been a disaster leaving him with a 26% approval rating. After Bunning wins, Bunning will resign, Fletcher will resign, and the Lt. Governor will appoint Fletcher to the seat.) ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/223 "2004-11-03T02:46:52Z")
I was just checking out one of the local news stations. They’re reporting that there are people still in line in Miami-Dade, have been waits of up to 6 hours to vote. Also, 90,000 absentee ballots in Dade and 60,000 in Broward may not be counted until Thursday. Just when you thought that it might be Ohio this time. Uggh! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/224 "2004-11-03T02:47:44Z")
> [@Captain Lance Murdoch](#): > > Local TV is making things look real good for Kerry in MN. In other breaking news, sushi is popular in Japan. I know they tried to make Minnesota out to be a battleground state, but it never was. Florida was decided a long time ago and Pennsylvania is looking blue. The only thing that matters is Ohio. And it ain’t looking good for Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/225 "2004-11-03T02:48:20Z")
Gleaned from down on the corner \*\*[Global monitors find faults\*\*](http://iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/11/02/news/observe.html) MIAMI The global implications of the U.S. election are undeniable, but international monitors at a polling station in southern Florida said Tuesday that voting procedures being used in the extremely close contest fell short in many ways from the best global practices. The observers said they had less access to polls than in Kazakhstan, that the electronic voting had fewer fail-safes than in Venezuela, that the ballots were not so simple as in the Republic of Georgia and that no other country had such a complex national election system. “To be honest, monitoring elections in Serbia a few months ago was much simpler,” said Konrad Olszewski, an election observer stationed in Miami by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/226 "2004-11-03T02:51:11Z")
76% of the vote is in in FL, with a 250,000 vote lead in favor of Bush. Kerry does have one of his big counties (Palm Beach) with only 44% in, but he’s not going to make up 250,000 votes. Bush takes FL. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/227 "2004-11-03T02:52:10Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Florida was decided a long time ago and Pennsylvania is looking blue. The only thing that matters is Ohio. And it ain’t looking good for Kerry. Then let me be the first Democrat to welcome our new neoconservative Republican overlords. Hey, I hear Iran and North Korea are chock full 'o people who are hungering for American-Style liberation. With our advanced technology an moral superiority, we could _easily_ win any invasion we launched against them. Also, I’d like to voice my support of a national sales tax as a viable replacement for the current income tax. Clearly, the rich need more money and the poor need less: this will allow the rich to give more of their money to the poor, which will make everyone happier. Jesus will like that! Go Bush! W00T! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/228 "2004-11-03T02:53:30Z")
Polls may not close in Columbus until midnight at last report, such are the lines of people still waiting to vote. Ohio is still unresolved. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/229 "2004-11-03T02:53:30Z")
Ohio is interesting. 23% reporting, with a 70,000 vote lead for Bush. But Cuyahoga county, a big Kerry source of votes, only have 3% reporting. Kerry has a good shot here. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/230 "2004-11-03T02:54:47Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Damn, taking forever to get a thread in…is the board running slow tonight?? > > BTW DtC, have you checked the exit polls verse the raw data in Ohio?? Check [here](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html). > > Its 52% Bush 48% Kerry…exit poll is 51% Kerry 49% Bush. Guess Diebold is cheatin there too, ehe? > > -XT Ohio is swimming in lawsuits right now. The Pubs are chreating in other ways. If Bush “wins” this election, I will not accept the results as legitimate. Exit polls don’t lie. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/231 "2004-11-03T02:55:09Z")
You know what? These guys can go fuck themselves. > [@SimonX](#): > > Gleaned from down on the corner > \*\*[Global monitors find faults\*\*](http://iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/11/02/news/observe.html) > > MIAMI The global implications of the U.S. election are undeniable, but international monitors at a polling station in southern Florida said Tuesday that voting procedures being used in the extremely close contest fell short in many ways from the best global practices > [@](#): > > The observers said they had less access to polls than in Kazakhstan Tough shit. > [@](#): > > voting had fewer fail-safes than in Venezuela So what? > [@](#): > > that the ballots were not so simple as in the Republic of Georgia BFD > [@](#): > > and that no other country had such a complex national election system. No other country has an EC. Again, BFD. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/232 "2004-11-03T02:56:26Z")
:BURP:!!! Sorry, I’m late, connectivity problems. I’ve been playing along with my own drinking game, drink on “precinct(s)”. :swig: Did I miss anything? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/233 "2004-11-03T02:56:29Z")
> [@DtC](#): > > If Bush “wins” this election, I will not accept the results as legitimate. Exit polls don’t lie. Well, no surprise there that you won’t accept a Bush win…you’ve been setting this up for months now if it went this way after all. However, where do you get ‘exit polls don’t lie’ from?? I thought exit polls as predictors of the actual outcome had been totally discredited since they were wrong so often. Do you have other data showing that they ‘don’t lie’??? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/234 "2004-11-03T02:57:00Z")
The so what is that the Republicans are cheating their fucking asses off and trying to steal the fucking election AGAIN. Some people need to go to prison over this, starting with Jeb Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/235 "2004-11-03T03:00:49Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, no surprise there that you won’t accept a Bush win…you’ve been setting this up for months now if it went this way after all. However, where do you get ‘exit polls don’t lie’ from?? I thought exit polls as predictors of the actual outcome had been totally discredited since they were wrong so often. Do you have other data showing that they ‘don’t lie’??? > > -XT The television networks have been using exit polls to accurately project election results for decades. This is the first major election that they _haven’t_ used them. They are extremely accurate. Show me a paper trail in Florida or I’ll have to assume the results are bogus. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/236 "2004-11-03T03:00:58Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > If Bush “wins” this election, I will not accept the results as legitimate. You know what? No one cares. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/237 "2004-11-03T03:01:49Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > Gleaned from down on the corner > \*\*[Global monitors find faults\*\*](http://iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/11/02/news/observe.html) > > MIAMI The global implications of the U.S. election are undeniable, but international monitors at a polling station in southern Florida said Tuesday that voting procedures being used in the extremely close contest fell short in many ways from the best global practices. > > The observers said they had less access to polls than in Kazakhstan, that the electronic voting had fewer fail-safes than in Venezuela, that the ballots were not so simple as in the Republic of Georgia and that no other country had such a complex national election system. > > “To be honest, monitoring elections in Serbia a few months ago was much simpler,” said Konrad Olszewski, an election observer stationed in Miami by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. And I’m sure none of these “neutral” observers would ever imagine taking a swipe at the US if given half the chance. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/238 "2004-11-03T03:01:52Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > The so what is that the Republicans are cheating their fucking asses off and trying to steal the fucking election AGAIN. Some people need to go to prison over this, starting with Jeb Bush. If it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt, I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/239 "2004-11-03T03:02:37Z")
Everybody: the Daily Show special is on. Some of us need a break. **DtC** : chill. Accusations without evidence is un-American. It’s the emotions and adrenaline talking. Remember this is GD (although this thread is not so much) and not the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/240 "2004-11-03T03:02:50Z")
Ha… Beat CNN by 10 minutes again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=13)