# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/261 "2004-11-03T03:14:33Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > The proof is in the exit polls, in the already demonstrated problems with Diebold, in the calculated lack of a paper trail and in the corrupt history of the Bush’s in Florida. \ Look, **Dio** : I’m no fan of the Diebold machines and I’m pretty sure the Republicans (and to a lesser extent the Democrats) are engaged in electoral dirty tricks in Florida and elsewhere. But I got no proof. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/262 "2004-11-03T03:14:35Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Carl Rove reminded us on a radio show this afternoon that the exit polls in 2000 in some states were off by as many as 10 percentage points. Big difference. They weren’t off in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/263 "2004-11-03T03:14:57Z")
Exit polls can’t account for absentee voters, nor (at least as far as I’ve heard) was exit polling done on early voters. Between them, they will account for at least 1/3 of Colorado’s votes. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/264 "2004-11-03T03:16:10Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > Missouri just went to Bush, according to NBC. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO CALL SOME BLUE STATES? As per Zogby, Bush can only have 23 more EV’s. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/265 "2004-11-03T03:16:51Z")
Am I the only one who feels like vomitting? **jayjay** , no way I’d vote for Specter. He’s been shilling for Bush for far too long. (Oh, and according to Jon Stewart, 10 percent of Illinois where tin foil hats and adult diapers). **Diogenes the Cynic** , please, just chill. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/266 "2004-11-03T03:17:18Z")
**Diogenes the Cynic** said: > [@](#): > > The television networks have been using exit polls to accurately project election results for decades. This is the first major election that they haven’t used them. They are extremely accurate. In the last election, exit polls were WILDLY off, and in the same direction. In fact, the reason the networks didn’t use exit polling this year was because it was shown to be so inaccurate in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/267 "2004-11-03T03:18:06Z")
Looks like Bunning has hung on in Kentucky - drat! I now end my evening’s Bunning fixation. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/268 "2004-11-03T03:19:16Z")
\*\*Dio’s \*\* right. Exit polls don’t lie. People polled do. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/269 "2004-11-03T03:19:46Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > (Oh, and according to Jon Stewart, 10 percent of Illinois where tin foil hats and adult diapers). For those not playing at home, he was talking about the Keyes voters. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/270 "2004-11-03T03:19:55Z")
> [@Patty O'Furniture](#): > > As per Zogby, Bush can only have 23 more EV’s. I go to [Zogby.com](http://Zogby.com) and get an update from 5:00. You get anything later? I can’t seem to reach the normal home page. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/271 "2004-11-03T03:19:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > How so? Proportional distribution of electoral votes works in NE and ME. Or is it the retroactive application that’s the mess you refer to? Yes. There would be a lawsuit that could drag out for some time. If they want to do it from '08 on, go ahead. It’s a sure way to make sure no one cares about that state in the future, but that’s their business, not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/272 "2004-11-03T03:23:19Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > In the last election, exit polls were WILDLY off, and in the same direction. In fact, the reason the networks didn’t use exit polling this year was because it was shown to be so inaccurate in 2000. That’s what Carl Rove was referring to. Many of the exit polls in the Gore states actually ended up going for Bush when the final numbers came in. Exit polls suck anyway. There should be a ban. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/273 "2004-11-03T03:23:31Z")
Why am I not seeing the “record turnout”? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/274 "2004-11-03T03:24:45Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > **Diogenes the Cynic** said: > > In the last election, exit polls were WILDLY off, and in the same direction. In fact, the reason the networks didn’t use exit polling this year was because it was shown to be so inaccurate in 2000. No, they were not off. They were correct. They accurately represented the number of people who voted for Gore in Florida. Tens of thosuands of ballots were discounted or uncounted. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/275 "2004-11-03T03:25:18Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > They weren’t off in Florida. Fine, but if they could just rely on cheating, as you say, then why spend all the time and money in the battleground states. Just enact the cheating in ALL the close states and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/276 "2004-11-03T03:25:20Z")
CNN has projected 193 EVs for Bush. Adding Montana (3), Alaska (3), Idaho (4), Arizona (10) and Colorado (9), which should go Bush, he’s got 222. Florida adds 27. 249. It’s looking very bad for Kerry. Even if he wins Ohio’s 20 (an even bet at this point), he’s got an uphill battle. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/277 "2004-11-03T03:28:24Z")
THIS is what surprises me: [http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/index.html) Scroll down. Bush won a majority of both men and women voters in the FL exit poll. Now look at this: [http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html) Kerry wins a majority of both men and women voters in the OH exit poll, yet is trailing?! Perhaps we need to wait for all votes to come in from OH? Or wonder about Republican shenanigans in OH? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/278 "2004-11-03T03:28:52Z")
Jim Dangle on Fox is giggling right now. He’s literally fucking giggling. That’s “fair and balanced” for you. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/279 "2004-11-03T03:29:38Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > I go to [Zogby.com](http://Zogby.com) and get an update from 5:00. You get anything later? Nope. 213 to 311 is his call and he’s sticking by it. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/280 "2004-11-03T03:29:45Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > THIS is what surprises me: > > [http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/index.html) > > Scroll down. Bush won a majority of both men and women voters in the FL exit poll. > > Now look at this: > > [http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/index.html) > > Kerry wins a majority of both men and women voters in the OH exit poll, yet is trailing?! Perhaps we need to wait for all votes to come in from OH? Or wonder about Republican shenanigans in OH? Look at Cuyahoga county. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=15)